Oblivion talk:100% Completion

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2 things (Make Page More Accessible & Add Shivering Isles Stats)Edit

1. Somebody with know-how should make this page more accessible. Its pretty hidden.

2. There's no criteria for Shivering Isles content. If I'm not mistaken, it adds 56 places to find.Doctormccorm 10:51, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

1. Look two headers up for a duplicate topic.

2. It shouldn't. This article is for Oblivion, not Shivering.

--Brf 12:22, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

In all fairness, this page is incredibly well-hidden and is actually quite useful. I suggest that we link to it from this section on the main OB page; if we can have stuff like "Oblivion for Morrowind-players", surely we can add our 100% completion guide. --Krusty 12:42, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Then should a Shivering Isles version be made?--Doctormccorm 13:18, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

It might be too confusing with a separate Shivering Isles page, as the SI stats still shows up with the OB stats in-game. Maybe the existing page can be expanded a bit, with a few separate sections at the bottom, just to flesh out how many additional places/quests and whatever the Isles add to the statistics. --Krusty 13:22, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

I think that makes more sense then a whole new page. I'll start helping with that later today after I get to bed. Insomnia.--Doctormccorm 13:25, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

I just clicked my way to this page randomly! It is incredibly useful - NOT just for wanting 100% completion. I would never have cared to look at a page called 100% Completion, because I would assume I'm not about to obtain it! This page is useful for so many other things, though. It should definitely be listed where the introduction stuff is. I think a descriptive sentence should be near the link, mentioning "What is there to do in Oblivion? This page lists summarizes everything." Something that will catch the eye of those who will ignore a page they think is about something they can't/won't accomplish. --Amsuko 03:50, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

If people want a Shivering Isles version, it would probably be best to just make two pages. Put a link at the top of one to the other, "Click here to see a 100% Completion page for Oblivion with Shivering Isles." It's just confusing to see things like: Oh, yeah, and Shivering adds this many, but ignore that if you don't have it. --Amsuko 03:50, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

What does Brf mean by a duplicate topic? Did someone else have the same opinion and it was deleted? Besides, the hardcore UESP editors seem to forget that everyone else is not reading EVERYTHING. I see this same concept all of the time. In this case - would it be safe to assume someone had already made a section about the same topic (#1)? And they were being criticized for re-posting the same topic? If that is true - did that previous topic have an obvious header? If not, everyone must remember that we don't have time to read everything on every talk page. Many people don't use appropriate headings, so you can't even scan those! That's just my opinion though. --Amsuko 03:50, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

I've done the Shivering Isles statistics now, it still seems quite hidden though. Microbat (talk) 22:14, 3 November 2013 (GMT)

Fame or InfamyEdit

Well, it says you must get 200 Fame. This is obviously wrong, because you can play as a good or bad person. Can someone confirm this? --Pickle 02:16, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Well, infamy doesnt have a limit(You can get thousands of it by going on mass murdering rampages), where as fame does have a limit. What I'm confused about, however, is that it says 200, and not 199. I thought 199 fame was the limit. Doom Knight 01:01, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

See this.

Of course, the Fame page now says 199 rather than 200, so it's anybody's guess. --ali

At this point in the game I have a fame of 205. I have never had any infamy points. My largest bounty was 200 and I have not done any *bad* things unless required by the quests I have done. I have completed all quests except Dark Brotherhood and Thieves Guild. Looking forward to Friday and the release of Skyrim. --- JoJo November 7, 2011

Need to get this sorted: Have any of you got Knights of the Nine installed? As I said in my edit, that adds a possible eight more fame points. On the Fame page, the highest amount of fame is 198 if all is added together. So if Knights of the Nine is added into the equation, it'd make 206. Is this agreed? Microbat (talk) 13:51, 10 November 2013 (GMT)

Assuming that the Fame page is correct, the base figure is 203, as detailed below. Where are you getting 198 from? Also, it's been a while since I've played Oblivion beyond just testing. What does the 8 there come from? Visiting the wayshrines?

Quest lines: 30 + 16 + 23 + 14 + 25 = 108

Arena: 31

Oblivion Gates: 64

Total: 108 + 31 + 64 = 203

– Robin Hood  ^(talk) 02:15, 7 August 2014 (GMT)

Ah, looking back at the Fame page as it was at the time of your edit, I see where the 198 comes from. I hadn't noticed that the Fame page had been changed recently. I'll investigate more tomorrow. In future, though, can you explain why you're changing something. All I saw when I looked at it was a change with no explanation, where the number provided didn't match the total in the HTML comments, so naturally, I reverted the change. – Robin Hood  ^(talk) 03:55, 7 August 2014 (GMT)

I'm under the impression that the change was incorrect on the Fame page, from personal experience. I have done every single quest and gather every fame point possible from looking at each individual quest (obsessive, I know, but I go to great lengths with my favourite game). I counted up getting each point of fame from the Knights of the Nine expansion, and ended up with eight from that. I now have 206 points of fame, from doing everything, and everything on the 100% page fits for me after my final edit. I'm pretty certain I didn't miss any fame points, as I went for the good route on every quest. I ended up with 206 total. It might be good checking the explanation for the edit on the Fame page to see what has been changed and if this is correct. I cannot as the page histories don't seem to be working for me at the moment. Microbat (talk) 15:45, 7 August 2014 (GMT)

My "do it all" character has a Fame of 210 at the end of the game, including KotN. I had a number of mods installed, but looking down the list, I don't see any that would reasonably have added to Fame other than the UOP (which accounts for only one, I believe). More to the point, though, the changes to the Fame page are legit and verifiable in the Oblivion Construction Set. The page previously said "at least 59" (emphasis mine); the new breakdown given on how many points each of the fixed gates gives is confirmed, so a final total of 64 seems likely.

Of course, if that is indeed accurate, and there's a possible 203 base, 1 from the UOP, and 8 from KotN, that begs the question: which 2 did I miss with my supposed "do it all" character? :Þ – Robin Hood  ^(talk) 17:05, 7 August 2014 (GMT)

Interesting. That really screws up my 100% character. Dammit. Gonna have to just deal with it. Which five did I miss? I did literally everything the way I was told to. Dammit, I was so sure I had the fame completely right.Microbat (talk) 17:11, 7 August 2014 (GMT)

Sorry if I didn't explain my changes well enough. All I did was actually go confirm how all the fixed gates award fame and how much, and then change the math from "at least 59" to "definite 64". The fame could still be incorrect, but not because of the fame specifically from Oblivion Gates (the 64 doesn't count any fame from quests such as Wayward Knight or Allies for Bruma, only simply from gates and no quest). Yimmeryams (talk) 10:11, 8 August 2014 (GMT)

UPDATE: Blood of the Divines and Paradise don't give fame on Vanilla, but they do with the Unofficial Oblivion Patch. Max Fame, assuming all Guild and Misc quests award Fame as documented, is 198. 198 + 8 from KotN means, Microbat, your 206 Fame file is correct! Yimmeryams (talk) 07:10, 12 August 2014 (GMT)

Non-Journal QuestsEdit

Do they count towards the 199 quests for 100% completion? I'm assuming not, as the progress spreadsheet I am creating says with the non-journal quests, the total is 206. Just wanted a little clarification. - Zamboneh 14:45, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

306 Quests?Edit

Someone (an unknown IP) changed the number of completed quests to 306. I looked into it and cannot verify this number. Will someone else double-check for me? Rosalia Nightsong (talk) 08:02, 9 February 2013 (GMT)

199 completable quests in the Archives. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence}

This is terrible! It doesn't work at all!Edit

I was working my way through this guide when I suddenly realised that I had done some Knights of the Nine quests and found lots of places in the Shivering Isles! Why is there not a guide for that? I can't do 100% Completion now because I've already done DLC work! I can't keep track! — Unsigned comment by Microbat (talk • contribs) at 08:44 on 25 March 2013

Well, this has sort of already been discussed above, without much results. Personally, I agree, and maybe this is the best way to kick-start some editing ;) I could take on the project if everyone agrees it's necessary. Having a separate page for 100% DLC Completion might work, but I think it should all be added as a section on this page. As for your point Microbat, I'm not really sure if all the DLC counts in the in-game statistics page. I have a feeling it does, but then again... Also, a point was raised above that should be reconsidered. This page is quite inaccessible, and should be shown somewhere more prominent. The perfect place is here, where people will actually see it. --Vulpa 21:23, 25 March 2013 (GMT)

Added Shivering Isles and Add-On StatisticsEdit

I've never done a proper edit to a Wiki article before, but I had to start somewhere. People here kept saying they'd update this page, but nothing came of it. If I've missed something, please feel free to add it. I've tried my best and it'll hopefully help myself and others. Microbat (talk) 19:36, 3 November 2013 (GMT)

On Arena Questline and FringeEdit

I know from my own game that the Arena quest bug refers to it being impossible to complete. My current journal entry after the Arena says 'I've got everything' and my 'Quests Completed' was never updated.

Also, taken from 'Bugs':

'There is also a bug that occurs if you have the Thieves Den official plug-in installed. After you have beaten the Gray Prince and spoken with the battle matron, where the incomplete quest entry for 'Arena' in your journal says, "I've got everything" but can never be furthered or completed. This is because the plug-in overrides the standard quest with a set of stages of its own'

Again, I did 'Retaking The Fringe' earlier, when I added it. My 'Places Found' count increased from 423 to 427. Microbat (talk) 23:47, 28 May 2014 (GMT)

The quest won't disappear from your journal, sure, but you can still speak to the matron afterwards and fight monsters, right? I remember that when I had that glitch, I was still able to speak to her and fight them once a week, even though the quest remained active. ThuumofReason (talk) 00:09, 29 May 2014 (GMT)

There's two incomplete quests in my journal regarding the Arena questline. One is the one everyone gets, saying to fight creatures each week, and the other just says 'I've got everything'. The 'I've got everything' one should be complete, as far as I'm aware, but the Thieves Den plug-in removes that. I mentioned it on the 100% page because with the Thieves Den plug-in it doesn't add to your 'Quests Completed'. At least, I'm pretty sure it doesn't. I've now done every completeable quest in the game, but it still doesn't add up to what it should do. It's actually two off, leaving me really confused. I've been looking for hours.

I'll have a look around in a minute to see if there should be a completed quest when you finish the Arena. Microbat (talk) 00:17, 29 May 2014 (GMT)

For all intents and purposes, though, the quest is complete, even if the statistics menu doesn't necessarily reflect it. ThuumofReason (talk) 00:19, 29 May 2014 (GMT)

You're correct. After searching, I've came to the realisation that I just have two incomplete Arena quests, whereas I should have one. There is not a complete quest for Arena. To apologise.

However, this makes me more frustrated than ever, because there are still two quests that I apparently haven't completed! I'll figure it out eventually...Microbat (talk) 00:23, 29 May 2014 (GMT)

Whether I am incorrect or not on the 'Places Found' in 'The Fringe', I know that the overall '434 Places Found' thing was incorrect. That was just another mistake of mine when I added the 'Add-ons' section.Microbat (talk) 00:33, 29 May 2014 (GMT)

What about 'missable' quests?Edit

There are some quests that can be missed or failed, but I don't see a mention of them anywhere in the article. For example, if you become the Grand Champion of the Arena without compelting the quest Origin of the Gray Prince, you cannot go back and complete it as Agronak gro-Malog will be dead. Something like this could be easy to miss as the only time it's necessary to speak with Agronak is when you're challenging him to become the Grand Champion. I think there should be a mention of missable quests and how to avoid missing them, but that seems like something that would take time and would require a few people to research it. Still, it wouldn't be the worst addition to the page. --71.127.5.24 08:00, 8 January 2015 (GMT)

Sounds like a good idea. —Legoless (talk) 15:08, 8 January 2015 (GMT)

Clarity over Places Found with all Expansions/Add-onsEdit

The maximum places found for the base game is 367, the SI section then goes on to say 55 places are added, with 4 being able to be found again during "Retaking the Fringe". 367 + 55 + 4 is 426 but the section says this increases to 424, which of these is the correct value? Regarding the other add-ons, for some it's specified that it adds "one place to the game which is already marked on your map", does this behave the same way as the Imperial Prison Sewer and Weynon Priory at the start of the game where you have a map icon but "Places Found" is still 0 or do they add to the statistic instantly? The value of 433 given in the revised accomplishments section would indicate they all increase it assuming it was calculated with the 424 number from SI but I'm unsure. 92.23.130.140 12:31, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

Total Obtainable KeysEdit

The page currently states that for "Greater than 100% Completion" you would need to collect all 402 (410 with expansions) keys in the game. From the keys page there are 410 listed but this includes CS only keys which are unobtainable in game, with 28 listed as being found nowhere. 8 of the remaining keys are also add-on specific so I've updated the 2 values to 366 and 374 respectively. If anyone feels it's necessary to add to the expansions section at any point SI adds a further 61 obtainable keys and 1 unobtainable key. 92.23.130.140 13:06, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

Welkynd/Varla Stone countsEdit

I don't know if anybody cares at this late date, but it seems to me that those numbers are off. First of all, the minimum number of Welkynd Stones is 696, not 697. I don't see where that extra stone could be coming from. Even the Welkynd Stone page shows 696. Second, the maximum number of Welkynd stones should be much higher when including the add-in extra counts. In addition to the 25 you can get in Garlas Malatar and Vanua, you can (however unlikely) get approximately 45 (by my count) off the corpses of Aurorans in Garlas Malatar. I might be off with that 45, but I know it's not 0, as the page claims by omission. Third, the maximum number of Varla Stones you can get in the base game is actually 71, if by some vanishingly remote chance you manage to score all 15 in Vahtacen. Call me crazy, but I think I'm right. I'll let someone else decide whether to update the page, though. 76.234.40.233 03:19, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

The page can only include the guaranteed numbers, so the Auroran count is 0 as far as it is concerned, but I've moved the Vahtacen part below to make room for plugin numbers for all the parts. I can't see where the discrepancy came from but it is fixed now. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 13:53, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Quests Completed is Actually 208 with Blood PricesEdit

I tried telling people this over on the discord and nobody replied so I'm leaving this here. I discovered over a year ago that doing Blood Prices not only prematurely ends quests, but it counts as two quests completed. May the Best Thief Win, The Elven Maiden, Ahdarji's Heirloom, Misdirection, Lost Histories, Taking Care of Lex, Turning a Blind Eye, Arrow of Extrication, and Boots of Springheel Jak all have a Blood Price quest that can be completed for a total of 9 additional quests more than is listed, for a total of 208. Meemawhustlin 06:34, 20 January 2021 (UTC) MeemawHustlin

This is already mentioned on the page but I've updated the count. I don't think the 199 figure should be removed as reaching 208 requires failing nearly the entire Thieves Guild questline, which is kind of the opposite of 100% completion. —⁠Legoless (talk) 09:31, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Places Found breakdown is wrongEdit

In the "Places Found" section, the total counts of each type of location are way off. The correct totals are as follows:

• Shrines: 15
• Ayleid Ruins: 50
• Mines: 25
• Landmarks: 9
• Inns: 8 (this one was way off, 36??)
• Settlements: 30
• Forts: 50
• Caves: 89
• Campsites: 32
• Gates: 59 (Great Gate isn't a discoverable location)

I manually compiled these totals using the in-game map on a save file with all 367 Places Found. I have a google sheet with the full list of locations in the vanilla game sorted by type if further proof is needed of my totals. --MeemawHustlin (talk) 03:13, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

At a glance, it looks like someone clobbered the values that were there previously and used our list pages to figure out how many of each location type there were (e.g., Oblivion:Inns lists 36 inns). This is clearly incorrect, since not all places have map markers. For now, I've reinstated the previous values. You may want to compare your values to that list. I'm not suggesting that those are necessarily correct themselves, mind you, since there have been a number of different values by different people throughout the page's history. I'm just suggesting that you use the "more correct" list to double-check your own. If you're sure, please feel free to update the list as needed. – Robin Hood ^(talk) 05:08, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Actually, I take that back. Looking waaaay back in the history, there were long-standing values from 2009 that precisely match yours before people started second-guessing them at some point. Since you seem to be confirming those long-standing values, I've set all of them to the same as yours/the long-standing values. – Robin Hood ^(talk) 05:39, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

UOP adding map markersEdit

The UOP adds map markers to Two Decker Camp and Red Lane Camp. I have confirmed these are counted in the statistics page. I was unsure how to edit the page to reflect this. 75.98.102.179 22:31, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Typically, we add unofficial patch notes in the Notes section at the bottom. There's actually already one such note there that you can use as an example. – Robin Hood ^(talk) 03:49, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, it was so far down I didn't see the notes section at all. 75.98.102.177 20:23, 14 July 2021 (UTC)