User talk:Legoless/Arc 2011b

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PatrollerEdit

Will you please let me nominate you as a patroller? I'm long past the point of thinking "Oh it's from Legoless - just hit the Mark as Patrolled link already". rpeh •T•C•E• 23:09, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Sure, I'm fine with that. I was thinking of nominating myself a while back, but I wasn't entirely sure if I should try to take on much responsibility in the community, as my interest might suddenly fizzle out. But skipping the captcha check looks very attractive, and I'd be glad to take off some of the pressure off the other patrollers in the build-up to Skyrim. Legoless 23:26, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Lol rpeh, I do that too. I'll totally support it! --DKong27 ^{Talk Cont} 23:29, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Done. You may walk a little funny for a couple of days because of all the sunshine I just blew up your ass ;-) rpeh •T•C•E• 23:44, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Hah, definitely better than my nomination of "I want some new buttons". Legoless 00:03, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Potters?Edit

Sorry, I had never heard that term before. Is that British slang? I assumed the author meant "putters" because, though it's usually used with vehicles, the general definition is "Occupy oneself in a desultory but pleasant manner, doing a number of small tasks." While the only proper use of the term "potter" is "one who makes pottery."Minor Edits 23:59, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm unsure of its origins, but from what I understand it means to ramble around the house doing odd jobs and the like. Not an Oxford definition, but like I said in the edit summary it's probably localised. Legoless 00:03, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

This page (scroll down to World English Dictionary) says the origin comes from "[C16 (in the sense: to poke repeatedly): from Old English potian to thrust; see put ]". I've certainly used the word in the sense Legoless describes, but I've never heard "putters" used to describe the same action. Looks like we have another trans-Atlantic difference. rpeh •T•C•E• 00:06, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

I've removed it completely and substituted it with 'wanders'. Certainly less colourful wording, but Brf undid my edit so it's probably for the best to avoid future confusion. Legoless 00:08, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry; I wasn't trying to remove any slang, I was just correcting what I thought was a typo. But I've learned something today: if I ever see potters again, I will ignore for fear of starting an inter-continental editing war. Minor Edits 00:13, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Go to http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/putter and you will see the very first definition of putter. --Brf 00:21, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

And on the page for "potter", it says it is Bristish for "putter". --Brf 00:22, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

I think the best solution would be to just avoid using the saying completely, to keep both parties happy. Legoless 00:25, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Agree - it's a valid word, but if it's causing confusion then it should be avoided. At least I've never used the word "ginnel" while writing a walkthough :) rpeh •T•C•E• 00:28, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

I had never even heard of that one... Legoless 00:32, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

(←) It is the English word for Alley. If you ask me the English need to stop ruining the English language. --AKB ^{Talk Cont Mail} 00:37, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Edit: Correction it is a English word for Alley, out of curiosity I looked at the Wikipedia article for Alley. Some alternative terms are jennel, gennel, jinnel, gitties etc. This is why wars happen, no one can agree on anything, not even what to call that space between buildings in cities. --AKB ^{Talk Cont Mail} 00:43, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Talk about it. Legoless 00:44, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

It's not even so widespread to be an English word for "alley" - in my experience it's almost exclusively a northern term. Being from Lancashire, I've heard and used the word all my life, but when I used it after having moved to London I just drew blank stares. I hadn't heard those alternative versions though.

Lest we move off into totally forum territory, it's probably a good rule of thumb that if somebody expresses confusion about a word (eg putter/potter), that the offending sentence be rewritten as a matter of course. Obviously if somebody starts trolling ("Table? What the hell is a table????") then that's a different matter. rpeh •T•C•E• 01:05, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Deleted CommentEdit

Hi there. You deleted a comment of mine, labeling it "rambling (...) has nothing to do with the subject at hand" (Jyggalag discussion section). I am not going to question your widespread experience and good intention on removing a pathetic hater's rambling if it seems inadequate to you. But I posted my response because I thought it was not pointless "rambling" and actually had something to do with the subject at hand and because I am not a pathetic hater. If I wouldn't think it was appropriate, I would never have posted it, believe me. Sure, starting out with a little joke was a bad idea, even if it was meant to make an occasional reader smile a bit, but that wasn't the point of the section. Other than that, I don't see why it was not fitting for your taste. But if one starts something then finish it properly. Make sure to check the very few comments in some discussion sections I made so far (because I wouldn't dare to deface the main pages, especially from now on) and remove everything if it is not fitting. I am new here so probably made many mistakes in a very short time in spite of my intentions. Guess I shouldn't take this personally. It is your job to watch over things among others, anyway. Surely, I shouldn't write things like that it seems. I accept it. Feel free to delete this one, too. It probably looks awful on your page and is really not fitting here, either. Just wanted to communicate with you, and learn your opinion, that's all. Aran Mafre 13:35, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Sorry if I seemed a little harsh, as that definitely wasn't my intent, but from what I could tell your comment didn't really have much to do with the discussion it was posted under. You might want to check out the forums if you're looking for a place to share your thoughts with others, as wiki talk pages are usually reserved for improving the article. Legoless 13:48, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, I understand your opinion. I won't post "comments" anymore, just informations. Really, forum is for that :). Sorry. Aran Mafre 14:55, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Corprus (Morrowind: Diseases)Edit

The original description was added via copy/paste by me right from the Construction Set. It's one of two descriptions, the other one being "Corprus is a deadly disease that attacks a victim's mind and body. Victims grow mad and violent, and their bodies sprout wild, revolting growths. This disease comes from contact with corprus beasts or other blight monsters" but since that is a variation only told by one Ashlander Wise Woman while the other version is the opinion of several persons including an apothecary and a healer I thought of it as the more medical appropriate summary ;) Shimenawa 22:41, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me. You might want to post this on the diseases talk page as well to clear up any confusion, but I don't think it's necessary. Legoless 15:50, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Oblivion talk:HousesEdit

Houses Lol we archived it to death — Unsigned comment by Candc4 (talk • contribs) at 16:18 on 11 May 2011 (UTC)

As long as none of the discussions were active, it's fine to archive them all. Don't worry if the page looks empty. :) Legoless 16:23, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Camp 2Edit

Hey there! Just because I took a brief break and you archived the discussion doesn’t mean I have forgotten about our CAMP project! :D What is in my sandbox now is probably very close – but we still need :

• An overview of camp containers/sacks (like this)
• Info on respawning containers – and detailed info (percentages if the inhabitant can be a dog and archer ect ect, like in the dungeon pages. I realize that the bandits can steal your loot from the containers, but I’m not entirely sure how we should handle that one. Otherwise, I’m confident this is the way to go. --Krusty 16:54, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Welcome back. I haven't a clue what to do about the containers - it looks like it needs to be extracted from the CS by a bot. I have the percentage chance of each type of enemy appearing (quoting the archived discussion, " 50% chance of a melee bandit, 25% missile bandit, 12.5% magic bandit and 12.5% dog"). I wasn't aware of the bandits taking things from containers, and that would need to be noted if any of the containers are safe for storage (similar to NPCs taking your ingredients).

I'd like to bring up the topic of clutter as well. Because many camps are practically empty, I think clutter should be worth noting. Your sandbox currently mentions the two tan bowls present (although I couldn't figure out which exact one to link to). The general rule seems to be to disregard anything below 5 gold or something like that, but I think the camp pages would be an okay exception. What do you think about it? Legoless 17:07, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Ah, I'll try and forward this discussion to rpeh - maybe he was around when the other/older tables were created. --Krusty 17:13, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Nice work! Now we just need to figure out how to determine the damn chests- and sacks. Can you see ANYTHING special in the CS when you're looking at different camps? You know, different types of chests, stuff like that? And does the chest at Trossan camp respawn? --Krusty 16:35, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

The chest is called 'DungBanditChestCampLoot'. It respawns. It can contain a few gold coins (50% chance), a repair hammer (10%) and some random valuable clutter (75%). A quick look in the containers section also shows a 'DungBanditSackCampLoot', but those are the only special camp containers that I can see. I have no idea why they weren't included on Oblivion:Bandit Dungeons, as they're right beside the rest of them. I could (probably) add them by hand if needed. Looking at some other camps, other containers are often used as well (a middle class clutter sack and a bandit dungeon food sack are two that I noticed). I'm not sure if generic "household" containers are listed anywhere, nor do I think there's a need to, so those that don't have a link should have their percentages on the page. Legoless 16:52, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Good work! I think you should add them - that way,we can link directly to them from the camp pages (maybe call them Camp Chest 01 or something) - and then we can get going. After Modrey Oreyn I'm dying to get this project started + I think it is a sweet little project! :) --Krusty 16:56, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

I think I see now why they weren't added in the first place. The loot tables are definitely not designed for such petty treasures - the minor gold and clutter couldn't be listed. I've added the containers anyway, as I don't think it will be a problem. Three coins and a silver pitcher aren't relevant to the player in most cases. Legoless 17:14, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Good. I just found jewelry in the chest, so it can't be that bad. Right now, I'm testing whether or not the bandits will EVER loot what you store in the chests (poisoned apples), just to see how intelligent this game really is. If the bandit is still alive in an hour we don't have to mention it. Otherwise, if we can agree on the layout in the Sandbox, let's launch the bugger and get going. :) --Krusty 17:18, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Hm, you're right. At high levels I'm seeing gold nuggets and jewellery. Looking at the levelled list, it contains another two lists for just these items. Both are 100% chance. With 21 others items in the list, that would be a 4.5∞% of either showing up. Arrows are also there, with only a 75% chance of appearing when picked. That would be roughly 3.4%. Better go edit the table. Legoless 17:32, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

OR leave a quick message on Rpeh's talkpage - everybody hates leveled lists, but it is probably a good idea to get it right the first time. --Krusty 17:39, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

(←) I wrote another camp, just for our practicing needs. Your turn! LINK. --Krusty 18:10, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

I was actually just looking at that camp when checking out other containers. I'll get on it. I've also left a message on rpeh's talk page concerning the new containers. Legoless 18:22, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

I have been thinking about the camp stuff: based on our two “experiements”, we need to decide exactly which headers to use; while Trossan Camp works perfectly, Carbo’s Camp looks a bit awkward because of the lack of any treasure. I think we should be consistent about this, so here are my suggestion(s):

• Occupants
• Contents (includes chests, sacks and bedrolls)
• Flora

I’m not sure “Contents” is a really interesting word, but what do you think? --Krusty 15:19, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

I think 'Contents' would work perfectly. Just a note, though: Carbo's Camp does have treasure. I just haven't added it yet. But your point is still a valid one, as I'm sure there are plenty of camps with no treasure to speak of. Legoless 15:22, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Gah! I actually thought you were finished! :D Let's just wait ad see then... As far as I can tell, we're both on a mobile trip right now. :) --Krusty 15:25, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

I wish. :( I find Stormhold really hard to get into (probably because my phone screen is too small and cuts off the stat bars), so I was just working on the info I already have. Anyway, I've finished up Carbo's Camp and it should be ready for launch. Will I go fix the titles for Trossan Camp? Legoless 16:01, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Oops, missed your message - yup, please do the same with Trossan - it looks magnificent! Still, should we mention if the sacks/chests respawn or not? I'm on my way out the door (for a pizza), but I can put some stuff in the sacks and see if they dissapear - or if the bandits eat them. --Krusty 16:50, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

I think it would only be important to mention if they didn't respawn, so that people could use them for storage. All of the ones in your sandboxes respawn. Although I'm still interested to see what bandits do with things in containers. Looking at a few AIs, none of them seem to have any packages telling them to pick up items - only a few sleep packages. I guess if they had an eat package they might go looking for something, but I've never witnessed that before and there's no evidence in the CS to support it (that I could find). Legoless 17:14, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

I have now had a bandit wandering around food sacks with poisoned apples for two full in-game days. Nothing. Itis safe to say that the bandits will NOT suddenly sit down and eat. I filled out the tags, so if you will launch the pages I'd be most grateful - and then I'll create a few sandboxes just for this mini-project. --Krusty 17:59, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Launched. Legoless 18:08, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Brilliant. I'll now create three sandboxes for this project and put in some camps. We don't want to rush it, just have it as a nice little side project where we remove some tags and make some exotic pages. Looking forward to do this! Oh, and if we stumble upon ANY images that looks crappy or heartless, lets mark them for cleanup right away. --Krusty 18:16, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Here are the sandbox links in case you need them some time: • Camp 1 • Camp 2 • Camp 3 • Lets go camping! --Krusty 18:30, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

(←) I'll take number 3 to work on, if you don't mind. I want to give some of the unmarked camps their own pages. Two Decker Camp especially. Legoless 18:34, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Very good idea! Number 3 is yours! We should probably make some kind of checklist as well (you know, where we can cross out completed camps) - maybe you have room for such a thing? --Krusty 18:42, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Here's a list of them all. It's ugly as be damned, but it should work fine - although no links. :( Legoless 19:15, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Brilliant work in #1, mate - and excellent writing as well. If you look on the original page it becomes apparent just how much this improves the pages. Throw on some stats and lets launch it! Btw, we need a new place to speak - I suggest one of the sandbox talk pages. And I had the same problem with the damn links on the list - let me fix it so we can use links and all that. --Krusty 20:05, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Maybe the list can function as a nexus for the project. Go ahead and start up a discussion there once you've finished fixing the page up. I've mostly finished Mortal Camp, but there's a weird levelled list called 'LL1RoadForestMountain', and I need to go see if there's a correct way to list it. Legoless 20:15, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Discussion continued at User talk:Legoless/Sandbox/5.

Congratulations!!!Edit

You have been given a gold star! Welcome to the team and congrats on your unanimous approval!--Krusty 23:35, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Oh, and I granted you Blocker rights as well - I feel you are up to the task, so I hope it's okay with you. Now write some camps! --Krusty 23:40, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the gold star, and I hope I can live up to blocker responsibilities - it will come in handy if there's another vandal attack like the recent one. Legoless 23:49, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Lore:DragonfiresEdit

Yep. I be ragin. ;) No, but in all seriousness, I do have a question (not an argument). I believe that the book does say that Alessia lit (or received) the first dragonfires. Exact quotations: "So long as you and your descendants shall wear the Amulet of Kings, then shall this dragonfire burn..." and "But should the dragonfires fail... then shall the Empire descend into darkness..." Does the fact that "dragonfires" is not capitalized change something? Just figured I'd ask so you don't have to undo TWO possibly insignificant edits. Thanks. --Kalis Agea 00:56, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

I was supposed to post about this on your talk page, but I must've forgotten - sorry! Yes, it looks like the dragonfires were created from Akatosh's blood. Go ahead and make that edit if it isn't on the page. However, there is very little evidence of any "past" dragonfires (before the time of Alessia), apart from the last line of the book saying something about a re-kindling (which is what I assume you based your edit on). It's all very cryptic. Legoless 01:14, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Okay, just wanted to make sure my edit was valid before I made it. :D And... edit complete. Hmmm I may make this my next Sandbox project (after the Ayleids page).--Kalis Agea 17:36, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

It definitely could use some references. Good luck with it! Legoless 17:42, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Dang, you beat me to the indent fix! :) Since I seem to have missed the successful Patroller nomination: Congratulations! (insert internet confetti here) Now we have 4 fully active patrollers! --Kalis Agea 17:50, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! I can't image the nightmare Skyrim is going to be though, four patrollers or not. Especially since I will likely disappear for a few months after release. :P Legoless 12:26, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Thinking with portalsEdit

Since I am a portal fan, could I use that userbox?--Iamgoofball 02:24, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Sure, go for it. I just copied the design of another portal userbox, anyway. Legoless 11:19, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

WikitablesEdit

Hey, Legoless. I am currently working on a draft for my Lore Pages Redesign Project as I plan to bring up the need for such a project on the Community Portal. I am putting the finishing touches on it today and tomorrow, and was just wondering: is there a Template page for Wikitables (like the one of the Septim Dynasty)? I was going to simply show it there, but figured that A) It would clog up the page. and B) That we probably have a page for it anyway. Well, I tried looking for it in several different ways and could not find such a page. I'd really appreciate your help with this. --Kalis Agea 20:47, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

I've never had a need to look into tables, but I'm guessing it comes directly from MediaWiki. In which case this page on Wikipedia will probably be of use to you. Legoless 22:49, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, Legoless! Yet again, you've found something I could not. Now that things are back on track, the draft should be done today! --Kalis Agea 23:08, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

YsgramorEdit

Thanks! That spacing was annoying but I had no idea what was causing it. Minor Edits 23:42, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

No problem. Removing strange spacing seems to be an OCD habit of mine... Legoless 15:55, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Lore:Bestiary Iron GolemEdit

It is true that my addition is mere speculation, but due to the sketchy depiction of arena's creatures and how they barely fit into the rest of the elder scrolls it seems very likely to me that the Iron Golem was some sort of prototype to the dwemer Steam Centurion on part of the game designers. It is after all a creation of men or mer and it shares many elements with the dwarven construct like the spiked mace on its right arm, the huge pauldrons, and so on. Interpretations like the speculation the Homunculus might be related to imps seem way more specious to me due to the lack in visual similitude and yet it is one of quite a few to be allowed to stay in the article. And I stated on purpose that they MAY be related ;) Please, at least compare both creatures yourself - you will find both golems to be stunning alike, not necessarily in their coloring (goblins were yellow back then as well, so...) but in overall shape and many many details ;) ! --Shimenawa 23:34, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

First off let me say that I can see the resemblance clearly, there are many details physical characteristics that are similar for both of them. However we dislike speculation unless it is absolutely completely obvious that a connection was supposed to be there. If you could find an example of a Dwemer Steam Centurion being called a Golem it would clear up enough doubt for me to consider this a good note, but until then I don't see the other editors agreeing with this edit. --AKB ^{Talk Cont Mail} 00:06, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Unfortunately the dwemer animunculi are hardly ever mentioned, and when it happens not once by their in-game designation BUT while it does not mention the Steam Centurion per se, the Chimarvamidium refers to all dwarven robots as golems. In fact, Jnaggo the armorer (the protagonist) goes so far as to claim “A Dwemer child of eight can create a golem, but only a truly great warrior and armorer can pretend to be one.” In "Response to Bero's Speech by Malviser, Battlemage" even the Numidium is seen as a golem, and I am sure we both agree that no child whatsoever could build the Brass God ;) That makes it somewhat obvious to me that arrogant Imperials simply think of any kind of dwarven creation with consciousness as >golem<. Truth is, while I am absolutely certain that at least some connection between Arena's Iron Golem and the Steam Centurion exists, I would not bet my life on it that the Iron golems are the "real deal". Edwinna Elbert of Ald'ruhn's Mage Guild is/was able to recreate all kinds of animunculi if provided with the right schematics. Maybe those Iron Golems were just a clumsy attempt by a dabbler who was lucky enough to find some dwemer plans of his own? While I can not give you a 100% guarantee that the connection exists I hope you could still consider to let the note stay. Though we both might come to different conclusions as to why those creatures look that stunningly similar, the remark serves as a hint to readers and might aid them in finding their own solutions to this little mystery. And just between the two of us: I highly doubt the guy who wrote on the "Arena:Monsters"-page that the Medusa could be related to the Lamia of Daggerfall had two books to back up his assumption ;D --Shimenawa 01:34, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Please feel free to add this interesting find to Arena:Monsters, as that seems to be the style of the page. But in lore terms, the iron golem is the same as any other golem: a construct animated by magic. See also Iron Atronach, which is a more correct term for the creature as it is newer (although perhaps more confusing given the elemental daedra being called atronachs in recent games). And remember that even if the evolution of the series seems to support issues such as this, speculation should always be avoided unless glaringly obvious. If any of the other lore entries for Arena monsters ignores this rule, they need to be fixed. Legoless 13:25, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Dagger fall hintsEdit

I'm confused I thought first person was not allowed? Wolfy 20:46, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Oh never mind I read it, what threw me off is this "Added verification tag instead"

I thought verification tag meant verify things and that you where keeping as is My bad. Wolfy 20:53, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, sorry, the undo bit might have been confusing. The whole article needs a rewrite, so it's best to just leave the information as is until someone can do something with it. Legoless 20:57, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Right now I am editing it here User:Wolfy\Sandbox:

Right now I'm just editing the first person out and see if it still works, if not I may try to rewrite it but I'm not the best for thatWolfy 21:02, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Want to ask you if this is good enoughEdit

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/User:Wolfy%5CSandbox I just Shorten it a lot, and got rid of stuff not needed, a lot of it still need's in game testing

I'm asking you since you asked for the whole page to be redone Wolfy 01:01, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Looks like it's coming along well. If you want to mark a statement for in-game testing, just add {{Verification needed}} to the end of it. Legoless 12:13, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Roderic PierraneEdit

Hey there, good to see you contribute to OBNPCRP! I'd noticed it before, but didn't have time to tell you. In your edit here you added a VN tag to the page. Just wanted to tell you this is not necessary, as in-gamers will "verify" anything you write. A more appropriate action, if you think it is important to notice something in particular, is to contact an in-gamer and get him to check it. Cheers. --SerCenKing ^Talk 18:59, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

I should have specified. I added the verification tag for someone else to check it out in the CS again, which wouldn't usually be done during the project's usual course. I scanned through Irene Metrick's schedule and found her to be a member of the Bruma faction, but couldn't see anything about a trip on the 5th. I was hoping an editor more familiar with the whole Imperial Express stuff and NPC travelling would be able to double check my assumptions. Legoless 19:25, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Ok. In that case, to make what you've just told me clear to everyone, just remember to put {{VN|Needs deeper CS checking}} or whataver rather than a simple VN tag. That way, people are sure of exactly what you want verifying. That's all, I'll stop annoying you now ;) --SerCenKing ^Talk 09:14, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Done. Legoless 15:49, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

I got banned from the forumEdit

That same troll that targeted me here targeted me on the forum. I didn't do anything — Unsigned comment by Candc4 (talk • contribs) at 21:10 on 24 May 2011 (UTC)

I'll ask the mods why you are banned. --AKB ^{Talk Cont Mail} 21:10, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Discussion continued on Administrator Noticeboard.

Unmarked CampsEdit

I'm not sure I get the purpose of Oblivion:Two Decker Camp and Oblivion:West Weald Camp. They're both orphaned at the moment but I'm not sure how to fix that. Was the idea to link them from the Campsites page? Or transclude them to the Unmarked Places page? Please let me know if you have any plans for them. rpeh •T•C•E• 12:44, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

The idea was to make pages for each unmarked camp - and in the end (if we succeeded) link to them from the normal Campsite page, maybe under a separate "Unmarked Camps"-section, maybe with a simple (unmarked) after the camp name. When we're done (Lego had some exams to attend to), they will probably disappear from the Unmarked Places page - unless it still needs a brief mentioning for easier access to the new pages. --Krusty 13:35, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Krusty pretty much nailed it. The unmarked camps are just as substantial as the marked ones, so it's better to have them on their own articles where all the info can be listed. Legoless 15:49, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

I can't say I'm entirely convinced. Creating pages for every camp without a map marker could lead to creating pages for everything without a map marker, but let's see how it turns out. rpeh •T•C•E• 15:57, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Lore RedlinksEdit

I'd urge you to consider whether we really want pages for Dyus, Haskill, Relmyna Verenim and Vitharn in Lore space. All four of those links are only likely ever to be relevant to the Shivering Isles, so I'm not sure they should be created elsewhere. Consider: we don't have Lore pages for the nobility of Cyrodiil, the Ashlander rulers, or any similar NPCs. In general, where we have Lore articles for NPCs (eg, Barenziah, Helseth) it's because of their importance elsewhere. Looking through, there really aren't many times we mention NPCs, and I think it's clear why. Ditto Vitharn. Yes it's an important ruin, but then we don't mention any of the others.

I'm not trying to stop new articles being created - quite the opposite, one of the things I keep meaning to start is to get a list of all people mentioned in the books and work out whether or not they need mentioning - but in cases where the only mention of a location or a person is likely to be in one game, a Lore-specific article is not necessary. Maybe a mention on the list page as we do in other cases, but that's all. rpeh •T•C•E• 17:08, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

I see your point. A section on the list page is what I had intended for Relmyna, so I guess the redlink there probably isn't useful unless used as a redirect. However, Vitharn has a bit of history behind it from books, much more than most cities have, so I think a full article would be appropriate. As for Dyus and Haskill, they have a bit of OOG background over at TIL, which obviously can't be mentioned on their game-specific pages. I think this warrants a separate article from the list, as well as the fact that the two are (or, were) very high-standing figures. Legoless 17:22, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

I'd forgotten about that interview. Okay, I'll leave you to it. You obviously know what you're doing, but I should have known that anyway :) rpeh •T•C•E• 17:27, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, and sorry about any misunderstandings I caused. Legoless 17:33, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Nudge!Edit

If you have the time, I was wondering if you could finish this? Thanks in advance! --Krusty 13:05, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Finished. I also fixed two spacing problems. Legoless 13:12, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! Is there anything better than being 'nudged'? --Krusty 13:38, 28 May 2011 (UTC)