Skyrim talk:Easter Eggs/Archive 12

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Star Trek: TNG Episode 152, The Descent Part 1. Krosis mentioned.

So, I was watching a re-run of Star Trek: TNG, The Descent part 1. Anyways, one of the rogue Borg starfleet captured (the first one they keep in the holding cell which later deceives Data in to taking a shuttle pod) went by the name Krosis. Just mere coincidence or is Krosis an homage to this episode? — Unsigned comment by 206.55.184.247 (talk) at 13:49 on 24 October 2012

• Doubtful. His name is actually spelled "Crosis" anyway but if they were going to make a reference, you would think they'd chose a more high-profile character.--Anil (talk) 21:42, 24 October 2012 (GMT)

Krosis is the dragon word for "sorrow". That's where the name came from. ThuumofReason (talk) 20:31, 6 November 2012 (GMT)

One more Star Trek reference...

Alright, so this one might be stretching it...but this never occurred to me until I read it. So, Guinan the bartender from Star Trek: TNG is originally from "El-Auria". When playing the Dawnguard expansion, you learn that the Ancient Falmer worshiped "Auri-El". Now, maybe this is once again another coincidence, but I somehow doubt that it is. The programmers over at Bethesda must really like Star Trek? — Unsigned comment by 206.55.184.247 (talk) at 14:19 on 24 October 2012

Auri-El in TES lore predates SR, I believe, so it automatically wouldn't qualify for the Skyrim page anyways. And, unless there are more than name coincidences, I am not convinced of the connection. Eric Snowmane^{(talk•email)} 19:21, 24 October 2012 (GMT)

Agreed. ThuumofReason (talk) 20:37, 6 November 2012 (GMT)

D&D Reference

In the cave Liar's Retreat there is a man laying on an alter named Rahd whom his bandit companions call "Longhammer." This is a reference to the 4th session of the D&D group Acquisitions Incorporated played by the members of Penny Arcade, PVP, and Wil Wheaton. In this session, Wil Wheaton's character is rescued from hell along with an NPC named Rad Longhammer. I feel this is too much to be coincidence and should either be added to Rahd's page or to the Easter Eggs section.108.83.245.4 07:21, 26 October 2012 (GMT)

Is there more of a connection than the name? Granted, I haven't seen that character in game, so I don't know the exact similarities, but if all it has going for it is a name, then I am not so sure about this as an Easter Egg. Eric Snowmane^{(talk•email)} 14:30, 26 October 2012 (GMT)

While the connection isn't great, I find this one likely. Rad Longhammer comes from the same source as the other known D&D Easter egg.--Anil (talk) 15:31, 26 October 2012 (GMT)

Normally I would say that this is a coincidence, but the existence of another reference in-game to PA's D&D games makes me think that this is intentional. ThuumofReason (talk) 20:36, 6 November 2012 (GMT)

Ok, I have added this one to the page. I have no familiarity with the source material, so if anyone can add more information, feel free--][Respect the wind][ (talk) 15:53, 10 November 2012 (GMT)

Unsure

I'm not quite sure if there is a reference for this easter egg but if someone sees a similarity, let me know, please. In Dawnstar, if you go to Iron Breaker Mine there will be two small trees to the left of the mine entrance. There are three rocks in a triangular formation and if you go to the rock farthest in the hole/hiding place area behind the trees, you can find a hidden chest filled with very nice equipment. To get the chest, look to the right side of the rock without looking on the snow. It's hidden under the rock, very well hidden. It has nice equipment though, very valuable equipment. — Unsigned comment by 208.107.64.136 (talk) at 10:49 on 26 October 2012

It's Ahkari's merchant chest. Usually they are not accesable in the game without mods, but this one is--Anil (talk) 17:20, 26 October 2012 (GMT)

This isn't an easter egg. Please read the definition of easter egg at the top of the page before posting here. ThuumofReason (talk) 20:32, 6 November 2012 (GMT)

Valdimar = Valdemar? a danish royal name

Apparently, in the Hearthfire DLC, there is an NPC nord sorcere called Valdimar, who seems to be named after the ancient danish kings, Valdemar I The great, Valdemar II the victorious, Valdemar the young, Valdemar III, and Valdemar IV Atterdag.

Thoughts on this? 77.215.150.230 21:59, 2 November 2012 (GMT)

Valdimar is a housecarl, a far cry from a king. Jarl Valdimar has a better claim, but still not a good one by any means. No egg here. Minor Edits^{Threats•Evidence} 22:06, 2 November 2012 (GMT)

Looks like simply another case of Scandinavian history/folklore/geography/et cetera inspiring Skyrim. I don't see a direct connection. --Xyzzy ^Talk 01:19, 3 November 2012 (GMT)

Nor do I. ThuumofReason (talk) 20:33, 6 November 2012 (GMT)

Where you hang your enemies head...

A dark brotherhood quest. i think it may be a reference to Gorgon Gro-Bolmog's quote when you ask him about the topic "Sanctuary" in TES Oblivion. he says; "Well you know what they say Home is where you hang your enemies head." he is a member of the Cheydinhal Sanctuary and never leaves because of his infamy. — Unsigned comment by 70.75.140.51 (talk) at 00:42 on 10 November 2012‎

Take a look here--it's already on the wiki. Vely^►t►e 00:50, 10 November 2012 (GMT)

A:TLA - My Cabbages!

As I was wandering the Skyrim countryside, I cam accross an overturned cart with cabbages spilled out all over the ground. I am wondering if this is a reference to cabbage merchant from Avatar: The Last Airbender, as his cart would be repeatedly over-turnded, destroyed, etc. leaving his stock of cabbages scattered on the ground. — Unsigned comment by 98.89.134.92 (talk) at 06:57 on 10 November 2012‎

This has been discussed before, and the reference was added to the page but later removed. I would support its readdition. Vely^►t►e 14:56, 10 November 2012 (GMT)

I oppose readdition. It just doesn't strike me as noteworthy. Cabbages are one of those super common types of produce that you can find in Skyrim, so a merchant's cart of them just by itself doesn't strike me as enough to qualify it as an Easter Egg. If there was more to it than a static object, I would buy it, but as it stands... Not at all. ES^{(talk•email)} 15:03, 10 November 2012 (GMT)

I also oppose readding this for the same reasons Snowmane stated. Furthermore, overturned carts are a common sight in the game. It is quite possible to overturn abandoned carts yourself as well. This really seems more like a "make your own potential reference" thing than something the developers intended. As such, I don't think it belongs here. ThuumofReason (talk) 17:19, 20 November 2012 (GMT)

The black hand

The dark brotherhood or the black hand is a reference to a notorious organized crime group in Chicago. They were known for extortion and violence. — Unsigned comment by 74.141.88.68 (talk) at 20:23 on 11 November 2012

Please read the notice at the top about archived discussions. This was already discussed here, and rejected. The Black Hand, with a symbol and group within the Brotherhood, is too generic a term in underworld activities to be a reference to anything in particular. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 20:38, 11 November 2012 (GMT)

Even if it hadn't already been discussed, it wouldn't belong on the page regardless, since the black hand has been featured in previous games. ThuumofReason (talk) 17:20, 20 November 2012 (GMT)

Braidwood Inn

I think this is a reference to the film Planes, Trains and Automobiles. This inn has the same name as the first place that the two protagonists stay after their plane has been delayed. That one's pretty out-of-the-way too. In addition, when I ask for a room, I'm always led to the room with the double bed, as though the other two just aren't available for some reason. That could be a minor bug for the PS3, but I couldn't help but think back to that brilliant scene at the Inn during the film. — Unsigned comment by 94.175.154.74 (talk) at 11:39 on 13 November 2012

I find this fairly unlikely. If there was some other reference, it might be believable.--][Respect the wind][ (talk) 13:59, 13 November 2012 (GMT)

There's only one room available per inn and it's always the same one. The name doesn't seem too unique, or it could have been borrowed without being a reference. Needs more support for a reference. Vely^►t►e 16:07, 13 November 2012 (GMT)

Mjolnir

I don't know if this is an egg or not, but the axe head of the warrior stone is shaped like a Mjolnir pendant; a common symbol of modern Norse paganism. — Unsigned comment by 24.160.187.237 (talk) at 02:10 on 15 November 2012

No. Generic. Minor Edits^{Threats•Evidence} 02:21, 15 November 2012 (GMT)

Extremely generic. ThuumofReason (talk) 17:20, 20 November 2012 (GMT)

We need a header on this page that reads "Yes, that {in-game nordic thing} is a reference to that {real nordic thing} that's the idea. These are not easter eggs." — Unsigned comment by 209.150.108.10 (talk) at 11:09 on 29 November 2012

I feel you, anon, but people don't usually pay that much attention to the headings at the top of the page. Even when they're bolded, we still get suggestions from people who don't read the page headings. ThuumofReason (talk) 19:37, 30 November 2012 (GMT)

Hit the one in the middle (Rocky 4)

How come this quote "hit the one in the middle" never added to the Easter Egg? If you google the quote, you know where it comes from. This quote is usually said by some drunks who happen to brawl with you, like in the radiant quest "Hired Muscle", or said by some bandits who happens to be a drunk. When those drunks fight with you, they occasionally say this, not all the time. It may take "a while" in the fight for them to say it. They are too drunk to see clearly so they have to hit the one in the middle (supposed to be a funny quote). So a gamer who so happens to have overpowered fists or weapons that kill or end the brawl too fast may never hear this.

The line is from Rocky 4. — Unsigned comment by 175.142.213.228 (talk) at 03:41 on 17 November 2012

... Yes. That's an egg. It's definitely in the game; found here. And a quick bing search demonstrates that it can be definitively linked to Rocky IV. It was apparently brought up here before, as well as on a talk page or two, but it got ignored. Minor Edits^{Threats•Evidence} 03:47, 17 November 2012 (GMT)

Could we maybe not be so hasty to add something to the page next time? It's important that we give more people a chance to agree or disagree before posting it on the basis of a two-person consensus. The reason it was ignored previously was because the ambiguity of the proposal made it hard for some users (myself included) to see the connection. If links similar to the one Minor provided had been posted, or if the drunkenness aspect had been emphasized, it would have helped the previous poster's case immensely. That being said, there was a much better argument for inclusion this time around. Some quick digging about the context in which the quote was spoken in the movie (blurred vision), and the fact that it is usually spoken by drunkards here, makes me think this is intentional. I support the inclusion. ThuumofReason (talk) 17:47, 20 November 2012 (GMT)

Kodlak Whitemane - Serbian folklore connection

The name Kodlak is very probably derived from the Serbian word vukodlak, meaning werewolf, although kodlak is not a Serbian word on its own - vuk is wolf and dlak is hair. 88.97.17.99 10:10, 18 November 2012 (GMT)

It's already on his page that he is named after the Czech word for werewolf, but that isn't an easter egg, per se, as it isn't a reference to popular culture--][Respect the wind][ (talk) 16:52, 18 November 2012 (GMT)

Read the archives before posting. ThuumofReason (talk) 17:21, 20 November 2012 (GMT)

Mysterium Xarxes turning into a bucket

In Silus Vesuius's House, the burned paper Mysterium Xarxes will turn into a bucket if you attack it. Does this count as an easter egg? Video of the occurance: [1] RyrMyrByr (talk) 16:18, 21 November 2012 (GMT)

That can't be an easter egg, as it isn't a reference to anything in particular--][Respect the wind][ (talk) 16:26, 21 November 2012 (GMT)

Is that the definition of an easter egg? I thought an easter egg was some special hidden thing in the game that is a little joke and doesn't make much sense in context. RyrMyrByr (talk) 18:21, 21 November 2012 (GMT)

What an Easter egg has to be (at least how I understand it) is a reference to something in popular culture. The Mysterium Xarkes turning in to a bucket, while humorous and certainly intentional, isn't a reference to a specific thing, like a movie or book.--][Respect the wind][ (talk) 18:48, 21 November 2012 (GMT)

Our definition of "easter egg" is at the top of the page. ThuumofReason (talk) 14:07, 22 November 2012 (GMT)

There's actually a bunch of objects that will turn into buckets when damaged. (Several others in Silus's house, also the Dawnbreaker pedestal in Kilkreath Ruins, some others.) I think that's the default behavior when you set something up to be destructible. Or there was a lot of copy/pasting from some test object and they forgot to remove the turning-into-a-bucket feature. It's a glitch, certainly, but I can't imagine that it was intentional. Looks like a minor (albeit humorous) oversight by the devs. TheRealLurlock (talk) 04:05, 24 November 2012 (GMT)

Dawnguard-the new guy

When the first time the new guy Agmaer talk to Isran(Dawnguard leader), he said that he use his father's axe, and this part must from the movie《Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter》. — Unsigned comment by 61.143.19.25 (talk) at 10:23 on 21 November 2012

Doubtful, considering the sheer number of axes in the game and the release date of that movie--][Respect the wind][ (talk) 16:26, 21 November 2012 (GMT)

That movie released before Dawnguard about 2 months. Dawnguard released at August,and 《Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter》released at June.(Both in 2012) — Unsigned comment by 61.143.19.25 (talk) at 10:42 on 21 November 2012

Release dates alone can not make a comparison valid. It's Skyrim! The land of the Nords. Everyone carries axes, so a better argument than the release date is needed for me. ES^{(talk•email)} 16:50, 21 November 2012 (GMT)

It's also worth pointing out that Dawnguard was in development for more than two months. It seems extraordinarily unlikely that they would cram in an unnecessary and rather well hidden reference that shortly after they could of saw the movie, let alone for a movie like Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter (which was reviewed pretty badly, and didn't rake in all that much money). It's also worth pointing out that Nords care a lot about their ancestors, and ancestral weapons by extension. It is entirely logical that someone would carry their father's axe, it is a weapon that they happen to need and it has a sentimental value to them. It's not like this is a unique trope, see the relevant TV Tropes Article for just a few examples. So considering the time frame for Beth adding this in as an easter egg, and the fact that it would make much more sense if it weren't a reference to the movie than if it was, I feel safe in saying this is not a reference. --AKB ^{Talk Cont Mail} 17:04, 21 November 2012 (GMT)

May be I should ask the Producer... — Unsigned comment by 61.143.19.25 (talk) at 17:20 on 21 November 2012 (GMT)

(←) Here is a link to Beth's contact form if you want to ask them. You may also get a reply through them through the channels mentioned on their community page, I haven't tried it so I wouldn't know for sure. I hope this was helpful. --AKB ^{Talk Cont Mail} 17:20, 21 November 2012 (GMT)

Images & TOC

It was pointed out in the FA nomination that this page has no images. It seems like as easy-to-solve problem, as many of these eggs are visual. So, here are a few existing images I think we could add:

Rahd's body

The Headless Horseman

Babette

If they don't already exist, it should also be pretty easy to get screencaps of the sword in the stone for the "Arthurian Lore" entry, the Pac-Man shelf in Endon's House, the hanging skeleton in Bleakcoast Cave, the corpses for the William Shakespeare entry, and/or the training dummy with an apple on its head for the William Tell entry. Minor Edits^{Threats•Evidence} 20:16, 21 November 2012 (GMT)

I know you are trying to push this ME, but won't that dramatically mean a dramatic redesign of not only this, but all the other Easter Egg pages, it can become cluttered. But if your up for the challenge, I'll agree to help if the others do.--Br3admax (talk) 20:29, 21 November 2012 (GMT)

I hardly think adding a few photos is a dramatic redesign. Cluttering is always a concern, but it shouldn't be too hard to find a balance, and I think the aesthetic value of images outweighs the concern on principle. Minor Edits^{Threats•Evidence} 21:18, 21 November 2012 (GMT)

I agree with the need for photos. I also think that the Galaxy Quest, Love Potion number 9, Norse Mythology, Minecraft and Interview with a Vampire entries need to be rewritten/looked at again.--][Respect the wind][ (talk) 23:10, 21 November 2012 (GMT)

All of those entries bear some pretty clear parallels, and have been discussed in the archives. Taking in all the facts and circumstances of each case, what are the odds that the Skyrim writers were not making a reference? In all those cases you mentioned, the odds seem miniscule, to the point where asserting the two subjects bear no relationship with each other becomes absurd. And with a reference thus established, there's only a few reasons why it would not be an egg, and none of those seem to apply in those cases. But if you wish to press the attack on those entries, making a new discussion section would seem more appropriate, as I only wanted to discuss possible images here. If you want us to hold off on a Babette image, it's likely we can accommodate, as that entry is right by the Sleepy Hollow entry, and the Headless Horseman pic above is preferable over the less-impressive Babette pic, anyways.

And just to be perfectly clear, I'm not suggesting we add an image for every entry. While a picture would be helpful in several cases, many of these eggs wouldn't translate well visually, and Breadmax's concern of cluttering has merit. Minor Edits^{Threats•Evidence} 05:13, 22 November 2012 (GMT)

I feel like the only type of thing that should get an image is the pac-man thing in Endon's house. ThuumofReason (talk) 14:06, 22 November 2012 (GMT)

(←) Thanks to Psylocke, I currently have a version of the page with images set up here. Thoughts, concerns, threats? Minor Edits^{Threats•Evidence} 17:50, 22 November 2012 (GMT)

Looks good. Could use more images IMO; maybe for Arthurian Lore, William Shakespeare and William Tell. I think these three would make interesting images. And just a little suggestion: like I mentioned on the featured articles page, maybe it could use a layout similar to Skyrim:Passive Creatures? (And just say the word if you want more images :D) ~ Psylocke 18:01, 22 November 2012 (GMT)

I assume you mean have an image for each entry? Thing is, for a lot of these eggs, I don't see a good way of providing an image for them. Choose Your Own Adventure, Ghostbusters, Hangover, Love Potion No. 9, Stopping by Woods on a Snowy Evening, etc.; there's no really satisfactory way to demonstrate the egg in question. Unless we resort to non-game images in many cases, we could add screencaps only tangentially related to the eggs. And in many of the cases, the images would be perfunctory, and wouldn't really add much to the page. I think we're better off sticking to interesting images of visual eggs. I've intentionally avoided adding images for the first few entries, such as Arthurian Lore, as I didn't want the images to conflict with the TOC. Minor Edits^{Threats•Evidence} 18:14, 22 November 2012 (GMT)

Okay, that's perfectly fine with me. Another suggestion: Since the TOC is in the way, why not make one manually? (Just like the passive creatures and Skyrim:Unused NPCs.) I really think that Arthurian Lore (and I'm sure there are a few others) would make good images. Oh, one more little suggestion (lol): I know it's not necessary to restrict the images to 4:3, but for consistency's sake, you may want to use the 4:3 quest version I uploaded (though it's fine if we stick with 1:1 images). Not sure if we should standardise easter egg images or leave it as it is? I can easily upload 4:3 versions if we decide to standardise. ~ Psylocke 18:42, 22 November 2012 (GMT)

Done. People can get a look at the TOC in the sandbox, as well. So if you have a pic for any of the eggs in A-C, feel free to add it! Minor Edits^{Threats•Evidence} 19:12, 22 November 2012 (GMT)

I just added an image for the Arthurian lore section, and I also uploaded a new image (4:3) for the headless horseman. I think the article still could use one or two more images; one of the "Williams" section could make a good image IMO. What do you guys think? ~ Psylocke 08:06, 23 November 2012 (GMT)

(←) So, any objections to the page as it appears in my sandbox, linked above? If not, I'll put it up Sunday or Monday. Minor Edits^{Threats•Evidence} 16:28, 23 November 2012 (GMT)

I think we could use a pic for the William Tell easter egg.--][Respect the wind][ (talk) 17:22, 23 November 2012 (GMT)

There should be enough room for that, but it depends on if any photographers out there (probably Psylocke) would be gracious enough to take the time to grab a screencap. Minor Edits^{Threats•Evidence} 18:57, 23 November 2012 (GMT)

Alright, I'm sold on this. I'm just wondering if all of the pictures should be on one side. You've have a good separation, but all of the pics are on the right.--Br3admax (talk) 22:14, 23 November 2012 (GMT)

People see the thumbnail images at different sizes. I have mine set at the max 300px, but I think the default size is at or around 120px. Point is, if we put images on the left side, it's hard to make them look good at each size. A small thumbnail could be made to mesh well with the text, but might not work so well with larger thumbnails, and vice versa. Then there are all the intermediary sizes to consider. If not done just so, left-side images can throw the text out of whack and make the page look really sloppy. And fixing the images at a certain size to ease this issue seems to be generally frowned upon. Minor Edits^{Threats•Evidence} 22:30, 23 November 2012 (GMT)

Fine and understandable, it's very minor anyway. The table of contents is better planned here, making me wonder if it should be standard for the Easter Eggs. Either way, it's an improvement to the article currently up.--Br3admax (talk) 23:25, 23 November 2012 (GMT)

Romeo And Juliet

In Whiterun you have two oppsoing clans, the Battle-Borns and the Gray-manes(just like Romeo and Juliet). Two people from the families love each other(just like R&J), and are prevented from seeing each other(just like R&J)

You agree? — Unsigned comment by 71.220.252.120 (talk) at 05:38 on 24 November 2012‎

Check the archieves before asking about an Easter Egg, next time please.[2]--Br3admax (talk) 05:44, 24 November 2012 (GMT)

atlab

avatar the last airbender, when Hemming Black-Brair said: I was trained by the finest warriors of skyrim to wield a blade as an extention of my own arm. It's about the episode that sokka learns to fight with a sword form the master in the fire-nation — Unsigned comment by 84.86.82.19 (talk)

Not really a reference to any specific thing as that is a long standing traditional method explaining the proper use of a sword. Lord Eydvar ^{Talk|Contribs} 21:33, 26 November 2012 (GMT)

No, it is not a reference to anything. ThuumofReason (talk) 14:32, 28 November 2012 (GMT)

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