Oblivion talk:Dark Brotherhood

Archive 1: April 2006 - December 2009

Bringing Back Old MembersEdit

Can you use the console after the purification quest is over to bring the old members back and make them stay forever? Lord Jeerus 18:40, 3 January 2010 (UTC)Lord Jeerus

Yes. --GKtalk2me 07:50, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

List of charactersEdit

In the list of characters for triggering the quest, have added Umbra's name the start of the section mentioning her, on the grounds that it's easier to see when skimming through, and remains alphabetised. - BGT

So what is the REAL weight...Edit

of a chokeberry? This page says 0.3 down on the bottom, but the page it links to for them says it's 0.1. I'd assume that the actual page is correct, but I don't have the expansion to see for myself. But either way, wouldn't one of these be incorrect weight?

It seems both, it's weightless to make it possible to reverse-pickpocket.--Corevette789 02:29, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
Are we reading the same thing? What you just said directly contradicts what I'm talking about...
  • If you have the Vile Lair plug-in and have purchased the upgrade for the "Garden of Venomgrowth" area, you will find three Chokeberry bushes. These berries, unfortunately, weigh 0.3 and cannot be reverse-pickpocketed. You can, however, place them on tables and in containers for NPCs to eat.
If this IS what you're talking about, I'm completely confused.... Justeazy 04:37, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
That's what he was referring to, yes. If you follow the link to the Chokeberry page, however, you'll see it says they weigh 0.1. According to the Construction Set, they weigh 0.1, so I've updated the Dark Brotherhood page to match. Robin HoodTalk 06:33, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Removed VNEdit

  • It's also possible to accidentally murder an ally. The easiest way to have this happen is with a partner who fights alongside you, like the soldiers at the Kvatch Oblivion gate. Unfortunately, this will give you a bounty. However, the Kvatch guard you first meet up with shortly after you enter the first Oblivion Gate is killable with no bounty, since nobody else is in the gate with you to witness it. {{VN|Do all allies give you a bounty or are there any who can be murdered freely?}}

I reworded this, as not only the recently added sentence confirms for the VN, but my testing does also. — Unsigned comment by Justeazy (talkcontribs) at 17:34 on 17 April 2010


I was just going through all the achievements for the Xbox360 and what to do to get them and I realized that this page wasn't as good as the pages for the other guilds... Since I know nothing about editing these pages I ask someone who does; can you please do a similar table for advancement ni the guild?

Where IS the advancement grid? --Zander490 01:49, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
Nevermind, found it.--Zander490 22:32, 8 June 2010 (UTC)


When my dark brotherhood follower is asked to turn invisibel his head can sometimes remain visible.

Why?. — Unsigned comment by (talk) at 17:03 on 13 August 2010

It's a glitch. I believe it is caused by their hoods. (Hoods in this game tend to be buggy.) 01:17, 15 November 2010 (UTC)


So, I had just joined the DB, accepted the first contract, but when i took some stuff from a chest (which was locked and didn't have a red icon), I was kicked out. So I killed the Wrath, then when I went back Vincente and Ocheeva just attack me. I run out, Vincente stays in but Ocheeva coems out and is killed by the guards, so I approach her and speak to her and she gives the 'can't speak here' thing, So I go back in, and the exact thing happens again! What should I do? --call999itsashark talkmail 14:23, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Those locked chests belong to the other brothers and sisters in the Sanctuary. You are not allowed to take items from those chests until after you have finished ALL the Dark Brotherhood quests. --Sencilia 10:17, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
Well thats helpful, but i fixed it by usign the console (stopcombat on Vincente and setting his disposition to 70)--call999itsashark talkmail 17:42, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
Sorry, I uh, forgot to add that if you were expelled from the Dark Brotherrhood after stealing from the chests, you gotta sleep, fight off a Wrath of Sithis and then you should be allowed back without the others attacking you. My bad ^^; --Sencilia 10:45, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
Yeah I did that, they still tried to kill me. But it's all fixed now :) --call999itsashark talkmail 18:39, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
I have the same problem can i get some help on fixing it?
If your problem is that they keep attacking you, try raising their disposition using a Charm spell. Kitkat1749 TalkContribE-mail 12:23, 13 August 2011

Can't Join!?Edit

I just murdered someone, and I didn't get the whole "Killing has been observed" thing. I don't know why, I assumed it was because I got caught, but I read it doesn't matter. I think the person was Puny Ancus. It was a clean kill, but I got no message!

It's possible that you've already gotten the message and didn't notice, and haven't slept since then. You may try sleeping, if that's a possibility. Have you checked your active quests? It may be you've already spoken to Lucien and just don't remember - I know things like that happen to me every now and then. --Darkle ~ Talk 01:25, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Is there a way back from the dark side??Edit

I've just completed most of the game and it's different guilds, and just started the Dark Brotherhood. As soon as I joined my character seem to have become "evil" as I get weird comments from random npcs, and get rejected by altars of the nine devines and so on. This is no good to my character. Is there a way to completetly wash the bad rumors away from (repair) my character, once I'm done with the Dark Brotherhood? — Unsigned comment by (talk) at 08:28 on January 5, 2011

This is becasue of your Infamy. To remove Infamy, simply do a Pilgrimage to the Wayshrines. --DKong27 Talk Cont 13:39, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
Alternatively, if you play on the PC you can use the console to reset your infamy. Jayden Matthews 13:47, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
I suppose so... "SetPCInfamy 0" --DKong27 Talk Cont 16:05, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
By the way, the pilgrimage only resets your infamy to zero if you have the Knights of the Nine official plug-in installed. --GKtalk2me 00:54, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Doing the questline as the Gray FoxEdit

I wanted to avoid getting infamy and having to redo the pilgrimage, so I did the Theives Guild questline first. I'm currently on the quest "Scheduled for Execution" and all NPC associated with the Dark Brotherhood quests don't distinguish between me or the Gray Fox, meaning they act as if I'm not wearing the cowl. I'll check back into this site when finished with the questline, but might this be noteworthy in the main article? — Unsigned comment by (talk) at 03:55 on 27 January 2011 (UTC)

The DB members know who you are even if you have the Grey Cowl on. Don't know why , probally to stop them attacking you if you go into the Sanctuary. Or the Infamy. JackTurbo95 16:46, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

New Set of Red EyesEdit

I just started playing this game recently, and became the Arena Grand Champ after doing Agronak's quest, thus provoking Lucien to come to me. I accepted, and now, instead of blue eyes, my Nord has red eyes and a pale, damaged face. Is this typical? Or have I been affected by the vampires I fought at Crowhaven? I didn't see anything about this when I read the pages on the Dark Brotherhood, but I did kinda skim it, so it's possible I missed it. — Unsigned comment by (talk) on 5 February 2011

It is most likely you contacted vampirism from one of the vampires at Crowhaven. It has nothing to do with Lucien coming or the DB. --Sencilia 11:36, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Maeva the BuxomEdit

  • Maeva the Buxom at Whitmond Farm is a great target as killing her results in no bounty and it is an easy kill.

I see no note of this on her page and she doesn't seem to be a particularly weak NPC, if someone else can confirm this feel free to put it back. --AKB Talk 14:53, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Never a SpeakerEdit

I was just looking through the xbox 360 achievements and there is one for becoming a speaker. Do you ever get to become a speaker and actually get to recruit people. I'm a listener but its a boring job. — Unsigned comment by (talk) at 20:50 on March 2, 2011

Listener is a higher rank that Speaker. --DKong27 Talk Cont 01:55, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
You very briefly become a speaker at the end of Following a Lead, once Arquen says "Between the hours of midnight and 3:00 AM, ask me about the Night Mother, and we will away to our Lady's home. Only then will the ritual begin." rpeh •TCE 06:37, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
Exactly. It would be fun to recruit players. I think they should've put that in , but hey I'm no Bethesda people .... JackTurbo95 16:43, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
I Found a mod that allows you to recruit new Dark Brotherhood Assassins to the Cheydinhal sancturary after becoming Listener. It's called "Epic Dark Brotherhood". After becoming listener, a Dark Merchant will appear in the sanctuary and will allow you to buy an upgrade to the living quarters and recruit 5 more assassins. It may not be the experience of finding people in there sleep and looking all shadowy and mysterious, but at least it's something. I found a reliable (and free) download at http://www.gamefront.com/files/5055632/Epic_Dark_Brotherhood__1_3_. Right-Hand-Of-Sithis 5:56 AEST 4 May 2011Right-Hand-Of-Sithis 08:02, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Easy PreyEdit

In between Bruma and Applewatch I usually find two Imperial Legion Forresters battling each other here. If you wait, one always kills the other, kill the weakened survivor. So far it's never taken more then one hit to kill him, but do it quickly or he runs off after deer. Unless your fast and can catch up. Be careful your horse doesn't see, either. Caught me off guard returning to Imperial City and was immediately arrested with 1,040 gold bounty. — Unsigned comment by Grelaria (talkcontribs) at 03:05 on 16 March 2011 (UTC)

I have to disagree with you there, I can think of far to many NPCs that are "Easy Prey", and don't have the ability to give you a thousand gold bounty. --AKB Talk Cont Mail 03:05, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
Same here. Everybody has someone they would call the perfect target. It's all opinion. --DKong27 Talk Cont 03:12, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
Any NPC belonging to a guard faction is far from easy prey. Considering that in the realm of Cyrodil, the guards have the capability to know if you've killed a fellow guard within the very second of your attack. No matter where you are, or if there are no witnesses, you still obtain a bounty. Guards will always give you a bounty for attacking/killing Western3589 03:17, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
Good to know. Didn't know guards reported that w/ no witnesses and all. Oh well, hello Dark Brotherhood. — Unsigned comment by (talk) at 04:12 on 17 March 2011

Moved note.Edit

  • Even though Arkved may be an easy target to kill because he is always asleep, killing him will not get the Dark Brotherhood's attention.

If we should put it on any page , put it on Arkved's page. JackTurbo95 08:59, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

  • Occasionally, when entering the sanctuary one can find two or three members of the Dark Brotherhood fighting each other for no apparent reason. The fighting will only end when one of the fighters is killed. There is no punishment for looting the corpse.

Has it been confirmed. I have never seen this , but feel free to put it back on. JackTurbo95 15:21, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Confirmed right now on PC GOTY - Ocheeva attacted the orc, lost, woke up and they started to chat as if nothing happened.

Is this a glitch?Edit

i put out a steel cutlass in the dark brotherhood and everyone there attacked me! My brother tried and it did not happen to him.Is it mine or his thats glitched

Xxgreenbunnyxx 18:10, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

You had most likely been kicked out of it , and not slept since it , therefore have not recieved the Wraith of Sithis. Just sleep , and then kill the Wraith , then you can go back in. JackTurbo95 18:20, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
Sorry but i have never even did such a thing i am listener now but i was a murderer when it happened. 20:58, 13 April 2011 (UTC) Xxgreenbunnyxx 20:59, 13 April 2011 (UTC) i should`ve signed in
The only reason that pulling a weapon will get them to attack you is if they hate you...a lot. It seems unlikely being a fellow faction member, but it is possible with low Personality, bad persuasions, past crimes. --DKong27 Talk Cont 00:57, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

When i looked back at friendship it was 100 and my personality is 40 and also i have not done anything to them. Xxgreenbunnyxx 16:03, 14 April 2011 (UTC) My brother tested this and nothing happened so it's just a glitch i guess. 20:10, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Years of ServiceEdit

I believe that the sanctuary is 300+ years, not the 200+ the article states. Vicente says that the sanctuary is older than he is, which is three hundred years. If someone can verify this then please go ahead and change the info — Unsigned comment by (talk) at 09:15 on 17 April 2011

He says it has been around since before he joined the Dark Brotherhood, not since before he was born. Legoless 10:14, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
Yes, I'm afraid your right. I looked back and sure enough. Thank you. 03:43, 19 April 2011 (UTC) Wolfchaldo

And You Said I Couldn't Get In Their Chests........Edit

I saw on a comment below (actually its ABOVE since new posts are always on the bottom), that you cannot take things from the other members' chests in the Living Quarters, and that it would result in suspension from the guild. This doesnt make sense. I clearly just took "6 Arrows Of The North Winds" from either Teinaava or Gogron gro-Bolmog and nothing happened. Maybe I'm not thinking of the same thing or maybe the facts were mixed up. Do these respond though? I would love it if every 4 days I go back and find some enchanted arrows and leveled armor; Please tell me if this is true or not.

LukaSlayer13 19:13, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Not everything on talk pages is accurate. You will get suspended if somebody sees you steal from a chest, but if you can avoid being seen you can steal with impunity. rpeh •TCE 19:15, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure that those chests are common property. Maybe owned by th Dark Brotherhood in general? Either way, I've never seen those chests as stealing. --DKong27 Talk Cont 19:25, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
Those Chests are not owned. — Unsigned comment by (talk) at 17:08 on July 3, 2011


I am a listener now so how do i complete the quest line for the Brotherhood? — Unsigned comment by (talk) on 30 July 2011

That's the end of the assassinations, but you still have to visit the night mother every week and then report back to Arquen. You cannot "complete" the questline as such, because it is never ending, but "Whispers of Death" is the last quest, as stated on the page. Kitkat1749 22:55, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

please i need help !?!Edit

there is some method to return the dark brotherhood after expelled? 21:27, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

It depends on how many times you have been expelled. If it's the first or second time, you have to sleep, beat the Wrath of Sithis when you wake up, and then you can rejoin. If it's the third time, I dont think you can get back in. -- Kitkat1749 22:15, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Can this happen every timeEdit

so I unseathed my weapon in the sanctuary and the guys started attacking me and then two of the members followed me out of the sanctuary and the gaurds attacked them and they died i then got backed in the sanctuary (i dindent get kicked)and i opened the chest whe tesniva (what ever the males argonian name is)he watched me. i opened the chest of the two members have died. does this happen every time???

It is a possible bug yes, though every time I don't think so, i have unsheathed my weapon and not been attacked. Although I know some bugs rely on more than one 'trigger' -- Thanks --KizC ·•· Talk ·•· Contribs ·•· Mail ·•· 20:35, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Charm Spell?Edit

Wait, if you charm a guard and get their disposition high enough, they pay the fine for you? Is that true, or am I just missing something here? Kitkat1749 TalkContribE-mail 20:50, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

No, that's correct.--Corevette789 21:09, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

no missionEdit

I just joined the brotherhood and once I talk to someone they say I was kicked so then after a couple houres. Of trying to get back in (I'm only level 2) I finally get back in so then when I talk to ocheeva it dosnt give me the option of a new contract please help — Unsigned comment by (talk) on 30 August 2011

So wait, have you got this quest in your journal? Have you defeated the Wrath of Sithis? If not, and you have indeed been expelled, that's probably why you can't get contracts. --SerCenKing Talk 19:37, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

DB: Quest of "Purification"Edit

Who is the actual infiltraitor? I searched all around the quarters for clues and found nothing. Is there ever a way to find out? 19:35, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Finish the quest line, it'll be revealed in time. You haven't met him yet. --AKB Talk Cont Mail 19:40, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Kill stats for DeBuff Mage HoodEdit

There really needs to be an "Unsolved Mysteries" statistic in the player stats screen for those really sneaky murders. It's so effective that it's ridiculous. Funny thing though... I just killed the vampire hunters at the Two Sisters inn for the Information at a Price quest using a mage hood. Reverse pickpocketed them, woke them up, and they all ended up walking to the same bed to go back to sleep. There's a bed with four dead vampire hunters piled on it and I did nothing but give them a free hat. Glitch? or is it a hole in the script where they can't recognize the bed as occupied when the previous user died on it? 17:39, 7 November 2011 (UTC) Beanstyle

First, the game cannot associate those kills to you. You are only given kills that are done directly by you, or by anything under your control, such as summons, reanimates, and possibly commands. Second, the beds are not occupied. A bed is only considered occupied if there is an NPC using it for their sleep package. Their bodies are on the bed, but they are not using it. That's just a general feature of the engine. --DKong27 Tk Ctr Em 18:27, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
This is different from Morrowind then? In Morrowind, I remember selling a Damage-Self armor and getting blamed when the shop owner put it on and died. --Brf 18:42, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
Well then...Time to go try it out I suppose. I will use a new character with no previous murders, and enchant and reverse pickpocket something I guess... --DKong27 Tk Ctr Em 19:00, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
I couldn't get credit for killing someone with a reverse pickpocket, but I may not have tested thoroughly. --DKong27 Tk Ctr Em 19:33, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
I didn't think there was any real question about this. As far as I'm aware, if you don't physically press a button to forcibly take their last breath, as far as the game is concerned, they died of old age. But there's obviously some record of the NPC's death. I just think it'd be kinda neat to have a running stat that groups every "non player caused" death under one heading. From mage hoods and Damage-Self armor, to towing a cranky guard into fighter's guild friends and watching the show. 02:38, 8 November 2011 (UTC) Beanstyle


Hay.This may sound weird but I'm in the Dark Brotherhood and I got bit by Vicente Valtieri(DB Vamp.)And I kept waking up Ocheeva and sleeping in her bed and when I got to 100% vampire I woke up to one of the dreams and when I closed the box I woke up to see Ocheeva sleeping and she had lost her armor and is in nothing but her "under-clothes."I think this is a glitch.I'm on the X-Box 360.The Elder Scrolls Addict 21:16, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

DB Mysterious NoteEdit

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For some reason I gave away the mysterious note that was from Lucien. Is thereany way to get it back? Since it was a quest required item, I thought it couldn't be given away or removed from your invetory until you read it and followed what it said.— Unsigned comment by (talk) at 04:53 on 14 November 2014

Could you perhaps be more specific? Like for which quest? I can't recall when/where you would get a note from Lucien. •WoahBro►talk 05:01, 14 November 2014 (GMT)
The only note that comes to my mind are the Orders From Lucien Lachance related to The Purification. I don't know if they are set as a quest item, but I highly doubt that you really need them in order to progress the quest, and you can reread its message here. If for some reason you want to have them back, and you are playing on PC, you could use the console command player.additem 00035e03 1 to get another copy. The only "Mysterious Note" in Oblivion is from the Gray Fox. The Mysterious Note from the Dark Brotherhood is from anohter game, and not written by Lucien Lachance. -- SarthesArai Talk 13:34, 14 November 2014 (GMT)
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