Lore talk:Old Cyrodilic
Rename proposalEdit
Support. I don't even think this name is ever used to refer to the ancient language outside of The Daggerfall Chronicles, and even if it is, this usage would be marginal in light of all the instances where it is used as a name of the modern language. Even some elements of this article (like Tiber Septim or "pig-Cyrodilic") actually refer to the modern language and do not really belong here... --Vordur Steel-Hammer (TINV1K) 22:28, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
- To equate the subject of the article to Old Cyrodilic without a source is Original Research. It should not be moved. -Dcsg (talk) 22:44, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
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- I went through every reference to the Cyrodilic language I could find on the wiki yesterday. In all instances, it referred to the modern common tongue. Cyrodilic seems to be the more common name for it, rather than Tamrielic. If we can't draw a link between Daggerfall Chronicles Cyrodilic and Old Cyrodilic, then perhaps the Daggerfall Chronicles language should be relegated to a note on one of the two pages. Either way, WP:COMMONNAME applies and we should endeavour to free up this article title for the modern language. —Legoless (talk) 11:19, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
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- You can't possibly know which one is more common without performing Original Research. -Dcsg (talk) 19:14, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
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- That's not true, we have often in the past done a tally of various instances of one word versus another when deciding which to use on the wiki. There are literally thousands of examples under Category:Redirects from Alternate Names. —Legoless (talk) 08:58, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
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Past tense AyleidsEdit
This page says "A variation of Old Cyrodilic was once spoken by the Ayleids," - past tense - but the only given source says "The Wild Elves speak a variation of Old Cyrodilic," - present tense. Is there a reason to believe The Wild Elves was written a very long time ago? I looked but couldn't find one. I was about to "fix" this inconsistency but since I haven't played whichever modern games expanded Ayleid lore so I'm quite out of my depth here. Boustrophedon (talk) 00:57, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
From the Ground UpEdit
The article itself is frankly apalling. I understand the lack of primary sources that refer to the Ayleid language directly, but using Daggerfall books (and most dissapointingly, the game guide itself) is less than bearable. They are obviously extremely dated and inaccurate in nearly everything. Anything that claims that "Wild Elves are alive and don't speak Tamrielic because they are primitive" should not be used as an authority, not to mention how Kurt Kulhmann's own quote that is used as a source does NOT claim Cyrodiilic is descended from Ayleidoon or that is in any way related to it: "THAT, my friends, is why, when Slave Queen Alessia overthrew the Ayleids (Wild Elves, don't ask) and established Slave's Cant (eventual Cyrodilic) as the lingua franca, Cyrodiil c. 1E240, she said: "Enough of this! He's an Elf, they are Elves, and their Elven tyranny is over!""
The whole article is in need of a new philosophy that doesn't shoehorn obviously oudated lore into present post-Oblivion information and simply acknowledges the incoherence and contradiction explicitly, as well as the Tamrielic and Ayleidoon articles.
TrueFakeCel (talk) 16:12, 24 November 2023 (UTC)