Lore talk:Coldharbour

Son of ColdharbourEdit

A question for the Loremasters. I know the term "Daughter of Coldharbour" is what's seen in Dawnguard, but would it be logical to assume that the male equivalent exists as well? Harkon would presumably be the only example of this in Dawnguard, but it might be possible there are others. (Or are all the Volkihar vampires Sons and Daughters of Coldharbour? Not sure if that's ever clarified.) TheRealLurlock (talk) 15:17, 15 December 2012 (GMT)

Well, Harkon (and the player) specifically needs Serana or her mother to taint the arrows in Dawnguard, it's not a common "attribute". --Alfwyn (talk) 15:22, 15 December 2012 (GMT)

"Sons of Coldharbour" don't exist, or have no relevance. It is specifically the blood of a pure-blooded female vampire lord that has some kind of mystical corrupt power. Only pure-blooded female vampires can be Daughters, otherwise the player could theoretically fulfil the prophecy by themselves. Not very relevant to the article anyway. —Legoless (talk) 15:39, 15 December 2012 (GMT)

Inhabitants of ColdharborEdit

Since the inhabitants of Coldharbor are the Soul Shriven, and the Empty One who escapes Coldharbor with the Prophet is specifically stated to lack a soul, Coldharbor cannot be inhabited by the souls of the dead. The Soul Shriven are immaterial -- we know that because the Prophet has to summon a Skyshard for the Empty One to absorb before s/he can assume physical form on Nirn again. I think that for general reference to the Soul Shriven, "husks" would be far better than "souls."

The term "Soul Shriven" itself is puzzling. The verb "to shrive," now obsolete, has the following meanings:

— vb , shrives , shriving , shrove , shrived , shriven , shrived

1. to hear the confession of (a penitent) 2. ( tr ) to impose a penance upon (a penitent) and grant him sacramental absolution 3. ( intr ) to confess one's sins to a priest in order to obtain sacramental forgiveness

[Old English scrīfan, from Latin scrībere to write] (dictionary.com)

"Soul Shriven" would thus mean "souls that had undergone confession" or "souls that have had a penance imposed on them and have been absolved." Neither of these meanings makes the slightest sense in context. 174.6.51.17 21:28, 2 May 2014 (GMT)

Summary of ChangesEdit

Putting this here because edit summaries are woefully short for how much I feel I need to say in order to explain this. A recent addition claims the following:

Members of the Worm Cult during the Second Era believed Coldharbour to be a reward for their service and those that ascended to the plane were considered lucky.

The citation referenced ambient dialogue from ESO's Worm Cultists. The two lines being referenced read "He ascended into Coldharbour via a Dark Anchor. Lucky bastard." and "One day I'll make it to Coldharbour." Obviously, the Worm Cultists don't see an eternity in Coldharbour as unfavorable, but it looks like a bit of a stretch to claim that they see the realm as a reward for their service. Being in Coldharbour is desirable for them, but we're never told how. For all we know, they're excited to work there, but nothing in these two lines strikes me as "they see it as a reward". I think we can exclude this from the article entirely. -MolagBallet (talk) 19:18, 24 March 2021 (UTC)