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Game and Lore division

I've noticed some areas in the Lore Places pages that seem too game-specific for Lore inclusion, but I didn't want to start a relatively large-scale reorganisation without talking to the community.

Take a look at Lore:Places_E#Elven Gardens District or Lore:Places_U#Urshilaku Camp. The former could be merged into the Imperial City entry whilst the latter could go into the Ashlands. At the moment, the Ashlander camp entries are (as would be expected) totally dominated by MW-related information, which isn't what the Lore namespace is there to do. Why do they need to be in Lore-space at all, especially given later events?

Now one mer's meat is another mer's poison so some people will doubtless feel that some pages should stay while others should go. My suggestion is to create a new template (De-lore? - or am I just looking for DeLorian jokes?) It would work in a similar way to Proposed Deletion: once marked, an entry can be discussed on a talk page until a consensus arises and it is either removed from Lore space or kept. The same template could be used on any Lore page - not just place ones.

I think some kind of process is necessary or we'll just get stuff moved back and forth. Is this too process-heavy or a workable idea? rpeh •T•C•E• 20:48, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Well an obvious rule would be to delete anything that isn't mentioned in more than one game, but of course this would also mean deleting a load of worthwhile lore articles. Something could always be added to the lore main page or to the guidelines about game-specific information. Other than that I don't know, removing it all seems like a hefty task with plenty of debatable grey areas. -Itachi 18:07, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Time travel is a serious business, rpeh...

I agree that the Elven Gardens District doesn't really warrant a place in Lore, but I do think it's the case for the Urshilaku Camp. The latter has quite a prominent role in Morrowind, even if it only appears in the game. The backstory on the Neravarine should mention at some point that the Urshilaku Camp was home to the acknowledgment of a few fulfilled prophecies. I'm not so sure about the other camps, but I would support keeping them.

The measure of distinction I've used is to determine whether a mentioned subject is directly inherent of another. You can't really name the Elven Gardens District without referring to the Imperial City. The Ashlander camps are pretty much seperate entities. They are part of a group of Ashlander camps, but you won't need to say that every time you refer to them.

So yea, I pretty much agree with the case by case approach, entries that are too trivial can be removed right away (there's always the possibility to undo) if they only serve as some sort of placeholder. --Timenn-<talk> 10:37, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Urshilaku Camp is of no consequence as a location. It is important in the game Morrowind, but Morrowind's lore makes it clear that the camp is mobile as fits the nomadic ashlanders. So while the Urshilaku tribe certainly deserve an article or redirect to the Ashlanders article, the camp itself is a temporary circle of yurts and does not.132.162.84.166 18:21, 21 March 2010 (UTC)