Morrowind talk:Restoration

Starting SpellsEdit

DrPhoton added a second starting spell for this College back in March. I'm in no position to verify it at the moment, but it seems dubious that a character would start with a spell that costs 45 Magicka to cast and has such a specialized effect. The Classes page also does not reflect this in the descriptions of classes that have Restoration as a Major Skill. Can someone confirm that this is erroneous and remove it?

Also, an anonymous insisted around the same time that Hearth Heal is a starting spell when Restoration is a Major or a Minor Skill. This is inconsistent with the behavior of the other Colleges, and again not reflected on the Classes page. Please confirm, anybody? --TheNicestGuy 12:16, 4 January 2008 (EST)

Okay, this is more complicated than just being based on a skill. I created an Archer, a Crusader and a Monk as a Dunmer and none of them had Hearth Heal. I created a Breton Monk and it did. It looks as if the starting spells are based on race too but this will all need much more testing. —Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 12:54, 4 January 2008 (EST)

As with Tap Energy, Feet of Notorgo is tagged in the construction set as a starting spell. And there are only thirteen spells total (all schools) listed as starting spells, so it is an unusual and therefore probably notable designation. In general, the previous discussion shows that more research is needed to figure out what additional factors come into play when choosing the starting spells. --Nephele^Talk 13:05, 4 January 2008 (EST)

As I recall, starting spells are based on the starting level of the spell skill. 32.158.158.250 17:03, 9 November 2008 (EST)

This seems to be the case - apparently, a college's starting spells are granted if that school's skill is 25+ at the game's beginning. A Dunmer with Destruction & Alteration as Minors receives Fire Bite, but not Shield or Water Walking. (Seems to be the basis for the perks of Oblivion's various Mastery levels: Novice vs Apprentice, etc.) — Unsigned comment by 75.47.106.23 (talk)

Not quite. Of the spells that are flagged with 'starting spell', you will start with the ones that you have at least a 50% chance of casting successfully. This percentage is controlled by a game setting (I think fAutoPCSpellChance), and of course your skill in that spell school, as well as your Willpower and Luck, improves your chance. Basically, picking a spell school as a major skill virtually ensures that you will get the starting spells for that school, but it is not the deciding factor. See the discussion linked to by Nephele, above. --Gaebrial 03:14, 27 January 2009 (EST)

I tried Restoration as a minor skill and did not get the Heart heal spell. After that I created the same type of character with Restoration as a major skill and only got Heart heal, not Feet of Notorgo. So, I guess having a skill in restoration of 30 does not even guarantee getting all starting spells. I made a Red Guard with Int 30, Will 30 and Luck 50. Saskia

Your Willpower affects your percentage chance of casting, so a Redguard with a Willpower of 30 will not get all the spells that an identical Breton character (Willpower = 50) will get. --Gaebrial 03:05, 31 March 2009 (EDT)

After the Feet of Notorgo spell got deleted again, I tried creating a few different classes to see if I could get the spell. Even a Breton Custom Class (sp: Magic; Atts: Willpower and Luck) didn't get the spell. That's with a Willpower of 60, Luck of 50, and Restoration of 45. I used the console to give myself the spell and its cast chance was 76%, so the >50% chance theory isn't right. It looks like even though FoN is listed in the CS as a start spell, there's no way of getting it. Calliope 07:09, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

The description may need some tweaking for the difficulty we are having to have this spell appear as start spell. This spell certainly exists, and can be bought from a few spell merchants. --Timenn-<talk> 15:19, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

After checking the PC version and the Xbox version to try and confirm the Feet of Notorgo spell as one of the "starting spells", no matter what skill set-race-birthsign combo is used, the spell does not show up. In all my time playing Morrowind, I have never seen it in my starting lineup of spells when I had Restoration as a major. Seems you have to buy this spell to get it, therefore it should not be listed as one of the starting spells. Calliope also makes pretty much the same point. And if special conditions need to be met in order to receive this spell as a starter, then list them. That way we all can follow the listed conditions and check for ourselves. While Im sorry I claimed it didn't exist, it's definitely not a starter spell. I was asked to prove my point rather than constantly deleting it...and so I have. I politely rest my case. -Underboss, September 7

My proposal was to add a note to the spell, not simply to delete it (yet) again. Although it seems impossible to get this spell as a starting spell, just because we haven't figured out the right combination doesn't mean it doesn't exist. So far not many editors have been involved in this research, so I find it premature to think no player has encountered this yet. --Timenn-<talk> 21:16, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Very well, but for the time being, I think it should be left deleted untill all editors involved in this research (including myself) can completely verify whether there is any possible way to gain this spell as a starter. And if any of us can confirm it as a starter, the requirement should be listed. I for one have never seen this spell in my list of restoration starter spells before, and as stated, I've played the crap outta Morrowind ^_^. And I do agree with you on thinking it premature to think nobody has encountered it yet, now I do anyway. But again, untill it is positively confirmed, let's keep it deleted. -Underboss, September 8

On the other hand, keeping readers informed of the situation might work better. A policy tendency I've seen for most articles is to tell what was intended, and then a bug notice or something similar telling why it won't work (in some cases). If we apply that to this article it might challenge readers to find the right circumstances the spell would be selected. What I'm saying is adding the spell right with the notice, so we can invite more users into this.

This doesn't only concern this spell, but there are a few more spells that have these problems, and they should follow the same criteria. --Timenn-<talk> 10:47, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. That way this same confusion doesn't happen again. These spells should not be posted as starter spells unless they have been verified by more than one account. -Underboss, September 10

No, that is not what I said. The spell should be on the article so all readers can see it was intended as a starter spell, along with the explanation that there is just no known method (and thus easily conceivable) of actually receiving it. --Timenn-<talk> 09:13, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

...Fair enough. Though it must have a "sidenote" indicating that there is no known way of getting the spell, Though I still disagree on listing the spell as a starter if you cant get it starting out in the first place...-Underboss, September 11

We list all information about the site, regardless if the player can obtain it or not (like NPC schedule bugs for Oblivion), so I really don't see us just removing it. But I agree, it should be marked (most likely with an asterisk and a note at the bottom) so new players understand why they can't get the spell. –Elliot ^talk 17:21, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

• Thumbs up to Elliot* -Underboss, September 12

"If Restoration is one of your Major skills, you will start with the following spell:

Hearth Heal (Restore Health 20-80 pts for 1 sec on Self, Cost: 13) (you will also get this spell if restoration is one of your minor skills)" I certainly don't understand this. If Restoration is one of your minor skills, will you get this? Is this a start spell? -- Calonderiel 19:44, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

As explained above, that depends on your particular character's percentage chance of casting that spell. --Brf 19:47, 16 February 2011 (UTC)