Lore talk:The Vestige

Too Many TitlesEdit

The current list of titles on the page is excessive. Lorespace is not the place to describe the game mechanics of character titles in ESO. I have removed the full list of card game ranks that were previously listed on the page, but I feel like the list could still be trimmed down a lot more. For instance, why do we need two separate listings for Champion of Blackwood and Savior of Blackwood? There are also a few listed like "of House Ravenwatch", which is not really a title from an in-universe perspective. —⁠Legoless (talk) 15:49, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

There's no ESO-specific page for The Vestige, so where would you record all these titles? I agree it is quite a lot of titles and it disrupts the feel of a "lore" page, but where else would they go? Solomon1972 (talk) 16:10, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

I see now the Titles page. This is a good place to record all those meaningless titles like "Craglorn Skyshard Hunter," which is just an in-game achievement. (No one ever walks up to you and says, "Oh! You're the Craglorn Skyshard Hunter!") Solomon1972 (talk) 16:14, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

While the title list is perhaps indeed quite - long- the "of the Ravenwatch" - while not title in universe perspective is still something beyond just a title and should more than likelly remain on the page in some form. ""I would like to bequeath my name to you, if you will have it." is part of Verandis' final goodbye to the VestigeTyrvarion (talk) 16:33, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Yes, exactly. Being an honorary member of House Ravenwatch is definitely notable and would probably be better off integrated into the text of the article. My point is that it's only a "title" in terms of game mechanics. I'm not opposed to having a long list of titles on this page, but it needs a bit more thought put into it than just copying every entry from Online:Titles without any consideration for loreworthiness. —⁠Legoless (talk) 20:11, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

I wouldn't be opposed to this lore page simply directing the reader to the Titles page and wiping out the entire list of redundant Titles (i.e., those that are listed on the Titles page). Including the Ravenwatch title, since it, too, is listed there. Solomon1972 (talk) 20:19, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

I think most titles should be kept atleast if they atleast work as titles.Tarponpet (talk) 20:40, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

(←) Reminder that Lore:Molag Bal#Titles exists too, and the page managed to get featured status. However, some of these seem to have no context and would be better off not there, like Librarian or Witch. —Dillonn241 (talk) 20:46, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Banishment DesignationEdit

I think Daedra are banished to the Void when they "die", no? Not Oblivion?

• Sirran Angada says: "Out there, in the Void, the Waters of Oblivion have receded far from the shores of the mortal and immortal realms."
• Dylora says: "The Wellspring is a cynosure, a place where the Animus of lost Mazken can return to this realm from the Waters of Oblivion. The Darkness is a frightening place, even to us, and so our Lord has given us this beacon, a light to guide us back to Him."

To me these sources indicate that Daedra go to the Void when they are destroyed, not Oblivion, despite what the name Waters of Oblivion would suggest. Mindtrait0r (talk) 23:51, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

I can find far more instances where Daedra are said to be specifically banished back to Oblivion to reform. The issue is the similarity of language between the Void and Oblivion. A thing to consider is that while you may essentially have to travel through the Void to reach Oblivion, the actual process of Reformation is entirely in Oblivion. I can send you sources if you simply give me a minute. Me and gleaming veil have done a good deal of research on this. There are instances where Daedra are banished outright to the Void, but it isn't the simple mechanics of death and Reformation.Tarponpet (talk) 01:37, 6 October 2024 (UTC)