Lore talk:Tiber War

Tiber's use of NumidiumEdit

Although the article states that one of the terms of the treaty between Tiber Septim and Vivec was the use of Numidium to conquer the Altmer, the source listed for this, On Morrowind, only says that this was a rumor. Has this been confirmed by another, better source? --Xyzzy ^Talk 05:45, 28 June 2014 (GMT)

No. Insignificant Revisions^{Threats•Evidence} 06:46, 28 June 2014 (GMT)

Aldmeri NavyEdit

The article states that the Aldmeri Navy was "far superior" to the Imperial Navy, but the listed reference states that the Dominion built a "great navy" and exceled in combat at sea, with no mention about how it compared to the Imperial Navy. Should this comparison be removed, or is there a better source for this? --Xyzzy ^Talk 05:51, 28 June 2014 (GMT)

No better source, but the very definition of "excel" denotes superiority. Insignificant Revisions^{Threats•Evidence} 06:46, 28 June 2014 (GMT)

"Penultra"?Edit

What is the definition of this word? I don't have a clue what it means, and neither does Google. —Legoless (talk) 18:02, 27 July 2014 (GMT)

Well 'penultimate' means second-to-last, which I guess could describe the Battle of Stros M'Kai if you then consider the Rebellion as the ultimate battle. I think it would be better just to change that caption to something a little more easily understood. -- Hargrimm^(T) 18:09, 27 July 2014 (GMT)

According to Battle of Hunding Bay, it comes from a quote by Tobias. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 18:10, 27 July 2014 (GMT)

Ah, so it is a quote. Still, what does penultra mean? Was it a misspelling or were they referring to something else? --MercZ (talk) 06:00, 5 August 2014 (GMT)

Full quote:

"My investigations were limited, I'll admit. If [Iszara] fought I can't say, but I would guess that she did. The battle was the penultra of the Crowns, and all who subscribed to the name no doubt took up arms. While most of them were slain at sea, others have been taken prisoner by the Governor."

I believe it was an attempt to make a noun out of the adjective "penultimate"; in this case, the Crowns knew that whatever happened at the Battle of Stros M'Kay would determine their fate, but wouldn't be the definite end of the conflict. -- Kertaw48 (talk) 09:14, 5 August 2014 (GMT)

I assumed that's what they were getting at, but unless it's a proper title I don't see much merit in using a made-up word in an image caption - at least not without quotation marks. I think we should change it, especially considering that the caption is being displayed on the main page right now. —Legoless (talk) 15:16, 5 August 2014 (GMT)

Battle of Old Hroldan - Correct DatingEdit

Does anyone have a source for the dating 2E 852 for the Battle of Old Hroldan? I am fairly certain we have no official date for that battle. So I'm curious as to how this date was surmised because I believe a more accurate dating would be 2E 848. This inferred date is drawn from the 1st Pocket Guide to Empire: Cyrodiil: The Song of Tiber Septim, which mentions that Tiber was twenty at the time of the battle. Using the inferred date of Hjalti's birth as a starting point, we can say the battle was in or around 2E 848. Fiore1300 (talk) 06:04, 17 March 2015 (GMT)

We know that the battle occurs during the Tiber Wars close to two years prior to Tiber becoming emperor, which occurs in 854. Since the Tiber Wars start in 852, we know that's when the battle of Old Hroldan occurs. The Arcturian Heresy and Battle of Sancre Tor hold the timeline. Jeancey (talk) 18:19, 17 March 2015 (GMT)

Okay, thanks for pointing out the reasoning behind the date Jeancey. I'm not entirely satisfied though with the existing explanation in light of the sources, so I'm going to try and open a dialogue on the forums regarding it.Fiore1300 (talk) 22:34, 20 March 2015 (GMT)

I don't think there is any definitive timeline marking the beginning of the Tiber Wars at all. As PGE1 states Tiber was 20 when he took Old Hroldan, this puts the date of the siege at 2E 848 as Fiore states, based on the year of Tiber's birth. Then we know that "a year later" after having joined Cuhlecain, the Colovian half of Cyrodiil is conquered, putting the date of unification at 2E 849. The Heresy states that Colovia was united in under a year, but also neglects to state exactly when Talos' conquest of Colovia began, so it is not in conflict with this dating. From then on according to PGE1 Cuhlecain had set his eyes on Nibenay but his plans were put on hold by a prepared Nordic-Breton invasion. According to the battle of sancre tor, this alliance crosses the border in 2E 852, leading to the famous battle. So from what I can gather, Tiber conquered Old Hroldan in 848, Colovia by 849, then he and Cuhlecain bide the time for an invasion of Nibenay before being invaded themselves by the Nord-Breton alliance in 852. From that point the Imperial city is taken in 854 an Tiber is crowned emperor. Dovahsebrom (talk) 22:03, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Tiber War vs Tiber WarsEdit

there's no source for Tiber Wars', but there are for Tiber War, shouldn't this be titled the latter? Cheers TheRockWithAMedicineCupOnHisHead (talk) 15:05, 31 March 2023 (UTC)