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Excuse MeEdit

Well I just edited this to make it less redundant and you did the exact same thing I edited it for.----Candc4,Burn baby burn CT 17:08, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

You completely removed mention of it, but the effectiveness of tempering is doubled by having the perk. All I did was remove the part that said when, it needs to be included that the perk doubles the effectiveness. The Silencer has spokenTalk 17:19, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
but there is really no reason to mention it since you'd need the steel perk to even get the arcane blacksmith perk really its not worth mentioning since you'd already have it.----Candc4,Burn baby burn CT 14:57, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
The question being asked is what perk doubles the effectiveness of tempering, not what perks you need to get Arcane Smithing. If you feel that it is possible to expain which perk is needed to double the effectivness of tempering, without somehow mentioning Steel Smithing, then go ahead. Of course that is impossible, but you may try. The Silencer has spokenTalk 17:48, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Place links for Dwemer ruinsEdit

Are you certain that every building within Blackreach should be mentioned? They're all listed on its page already. I feel as though it's unnecessary. Vely►Talk►Email 23:04, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Blackreach itself, the Tower of Mzark, and Reeking Tower were all listed in here. I thought they should either all go here, as there are also other places without their own map markers such as Cidhna Mine listed elsewhere, or else those other two should be taken off. I did however leave off the three Great Lifts, which have their own map markers on the outside, my thoughts are confused on why I did that though. On a side note I have been mulling over whether Blackreach itself could be considered a Hold. EDIT Tower of Mzark has outside part so ignore thoughts on it. The Silencer has spokenTalk 23:11, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Residents TableEdit

Hey Silencer! I guess it’s a matter of taste, but when adding tables to residents, it often looks a bit better if you give the table a width=160px, Like I just did here. Of course, your decision – just wanted to explain my edit. All the best, --Krusty 22:03, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

It's fine, I moniter recent changes when doing large scale runs through something to see if there's something I keep missing. If it's quite small I add a width [1], otherwise I leave it, I don't like large tables though, which is why that one is only 100px. The Silencer has spokenTalk 22:10, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
Haha, perfectly alright - a bit of space after the NPC name looks better (to me), but it's nitpicking. Keep it up. :) --Krusty 22:12, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

QuestionEdit

What's this? Did you reply to a conversation on an incorrect page? Vely►Talk►Email 19:21, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

I was responding to the IP who changed this and added the note. I was just lettting them know the plural, in case they missunderstood the meaning (I wasn't talking to myself). The Silencer has spokenTalk 19:27, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

ThanksEdit

You've helped me tons with quests. Thx. — Unsigned comment by 109.157.188.8 (talk) at 10:48 on 26 May 2012

You're welcome. But I have only really contributed to about 10 quests in a major way, while I have corrected some minor errors in a few others. I do try to answer questions on talk pages. The Silencer has spokenTalk 13:32, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

VandalismEdit

Good job on catching what appears to be spanish trolling, trolls are always trying to sneak a new one. — Unsigned comment by 99.169.161.243 (talk) at 06:18 on 27 May 2012

Thanks to Velyanthe I learned it was portuguese porn. The Silencer has spokenTalk 05:36, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Hearth FireEdit

For future reference a new trademark has been granted for Bethesda, Hearth Fire. Here is the trademark. The Silencer has spokenTalk 23:34, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Bestiary expansionsEdit

Per your edit here, Dawnguard would certainly count--I believe SI may be used on another bestiary page, and Tribunal (a MW expansion) is listed on the page you edited. However, the content shouldn't be added now anyway because the expansion hasn't yet been released. Vely►Talk►Email 19:33, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

I only looked at the vampire section, and saw no expansions/dlc. The question would be if the expansions have a seperate page for the beast, then a link is useful, but if it only goes to the same page, and you need the full game to play it, then why an extra link. Are the other links because they were introduced by the expansions, and not in the full game? The Silencer has spokenTalk 19:36, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
Ah, yes, that makes sense. I figured your reasoning was that expansions shouldn't be included at all. Vely►Talk►Email 19:43, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Top 50Edit

At some point recently I joined the top 50. Yay to me. (gifts below):P The Silencer has spokenTalk 05:49, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

:When you reach the top 100, I will give you something. --JRTalk E-mail 07:42, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

SpammersEdit

Just for future reference, in cases of blatant spammers, it's not neccesary to issue a warning first - it's probably a bot who isn't likely to turn to over a new leaf and start contributing positively, and it's unlikely that they'll even read the warning anyway. Kitkat TalkContribE-mail 08:36, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

UESPWiki:Image RequestsEdit

Hey, TS! I just thought I would point out the new Image Requests page which was made because of the discussion you started on the Community Portal. It was a great idea, and now that it's launched, I figured I'd let you know... not that I expect you to miss anything on the Recent Changes list. ;) ABCface 21:22, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Are you trying to say I'm addicted to UESP :p The Silencer has spokenTalk 21:36, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
You might just be the only person here more addicted than me! :) ABCface 21:38, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
I shall admit that the recent changes page is my home page (really it is). The Silencer has spokenTalk 21:48, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
My watchlist is mine. And there are only 134 pages on it, not counting talk pages... :P ABCface 03:31, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
My watchlist had 897 pages before I realised that I spend more time on the recent changes. Now it's "reserved" for non-game pages. The Silencer has spokenTalk 03:33, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

() Oh lordy! If you said you still had that many, I may have gotten a group together for some sort of intervention. :P ABCface 03:43, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

AnsilvundEdit

Hey Silencer! I have revamped your Ansilvund quest page, as it occurred to me that it was too much of a dungeon walkthrough and that an awful lot of the info on the quest page was identical to that on the place page. Ironically, it ended up longer than the original, but I thought I’d include all the broken hearts involved with the quest. I hope the revamp is okay with you. ☺--Krusty 20:09, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Broken hearts? You broke my heart, I thought it was perfect (sort of). It was one of the first quests I attempted to write and conversly I thought the opposite was true of on the location page as shown here. I think I was writing the location page when I discovered the quest. In any case I have no problem with the revison, it looks a lot better. When I saw you request images for it, I thought of my favourite moment from Skyrim, when a Draugr comes charging, I get prepared and it gets smacked from the side and killed, highly amusing, but getting a image that shows how amusing it is might prove difficult. It might be a little short (if that counts) but especially as it's an unbugged quest, it may be a FA candidate. The Silencer speaksTalk 20:37, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

PatrollerEdit

Hey, I don't know if you weren't told or something, but you may want to accept your nomination. Vely►Talk►Email 16:21, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Robin checked first if I was willing. I would rather wait for more input from the community before formally accepting as I was aware my nomination would not go smoothly. I think Skooma might be happy to see my standards being used against me, and so am I. I think there are plenty of examples of where I have made mistakes, but there are plenty where I have not. The Silencer speaksTalk 16:55, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
Unfortunately, it doesn't really work that way. In theory, Vely should have waited for you to accept before voting, and I suspect others are doing so. Also, can you clarify what you mean about Skooma. Nobody on IRC has figured out what you're referring to. Robin Hoodtalk 18:09, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
In regards Skooma, I initially opposed his nomination on the grounds of mistakes in spelling and grammer, and being unsure if he could consistantly follow the style guide, to which Vely commented on. On acceptance I'll do that now, but I can't see where it's written on the nominations page. Plus it's inconsistant on when someone accepts, I can see people voting before the acceptance on plenty of nominations. The Silencer speaksTalk 18:26, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

MovedEdit

Where did you move my lycanthropy addition?--Cole1 00:52, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Funnily enough, the Lycanthropy page. The Silencer speaksTalk 00:54, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

DragonEdit

I know ... I considered him undead but he is in the category.--Cole1 05:09, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

thank ya!Edit

i just wanted to thank you for the warm welcome onto the sites membership -Zargox bloodeye

You're very welcome, again. The Silencer speaksTalk 16:04, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Vampirism and cannibalismEdit

Hi Silencer! I noticed that you edited out a connection between the above, made by an IP. Don't know if it is the same, but an IP added the quest 'Taste of Death' to this page - worth checking? --—Daniellibus TalkEC 17:57, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

I was working my way up the recent changes so would have eventually got there. Thanks though, and I removed another quest that is radiant and not guaranteed to be in a Vampire lair. The Silencer speaksTalk 18:01, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
I would have done it myself, but I haven't yet done the Taste of Death, and it seemed like you knew what you were talking about! :) --—Daniellibus TalkEC 18:08, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
It's not hard as all vampires are in a category, which you can see is quite small by all the named ones having already been included. That last statement is not usually associated with me though :) The Silencer speaksTalk 18:18, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

InvestingEdit

In this edit, you say "not always", meaning that there are times that you can invest in Ghorza's store. I did some CK investigation into this a while back, and I remember it being impossible to invest. Where did you get the "not always" from? I'm just wondering if the bug report on Ghorza gra-Bagol's page needs further investigation. Thanks! Robin Hoodtalk 02:54, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

I think Nephele went through all the Merchants and checked them out, and she left the invest option in the summary on Ghorza's page. Though you are right that she doesn't have the dialogue for it. That's all I went on. The Silencer speaksTalk 13:01, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
It's quite possible that Neph just saw the invest option and didn't probe any further. I think we should probably change it to note the bug. Robin Hoodtalk 17:43, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
The standard on the Merchant's page is to remove the option completly with the bug noted on the NPC page. Though as she has no dialogue for the option, is it a bug? Not all NPCs can be invested in. The Silencer speaksTalk 17:51, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
Bad logic on my part. It is a bug, but it falls into the third paragraph on the page where it states that the merchants with the bug are not listed as investable, and that it is noted on the NPCs page. The Silencer speaksTalk 18:10, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
I hadn't noticed that. In that case, I'll remove the "Can invest" and bug notes entirely. Thanks for pointing it out. Robin Hoodtalk 18:39, 24 June 2012 (UTC)


That Was FunEdit

Thanks for replacing the deleted content, because I'm pretty sure I emptied my sandbox of all my work and feared I had lost it. Then again, I'm still not too familiar with all of the tricks up the more experienced editor's sleeves. Oh, and that was my first experience like that here, and I thought it went well.

Thanks again. --SlyKhajiit 22:01, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Even if its removed it can still be found. the site keeps a history of every thing that happens. Even if the page is deleted an admin can still find it. — Kimi the Elf (talk | contribs) 22:02, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
True. There is also no standard on houses, so where it got the idea from, I don't know. The Silencer speaksTalk 22:04, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Dawnguard CategoriesEdit

Hey, I thought I'd point out this post since you have been really helpful in adding the categories to the Dawnguard pages. I know you don't have Xbox, so you might not know the magic-specific info, but as for adding subcategories to newly-created pages, I would appreciate the help! :) (I've got the existing ones already, this is just for future new pages.) ABCface 19:30, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

I saw all that. FYI I don't remember any new Magic Skills being added, yet. The Silencer speaksTalk 19:32, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, I wasn't sure what has/hasn't been added when it comes to new spells and whatnot, so thanks! But, off the wiki to real-life for a while. Have fun monitoring Recent Changes! :) ABCface 19:36, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Thank youEdit

Thank you for adding the links to Skyrim:A Jarl's Justice :D I transferred from my notepad directly to the site and completely blanked on that even though I previewed at least five times :S --SPMcKinney 00:06, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

No problem, the links can easily be overlooked, especially for a new page. The Silencer speaksTalk 00:08, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Your user page storyEdit

I would just like to say your story is awesome so here is a short poem



He charges into battle with honour and glory

with a background of a strange story

at the end battlefield was very gory

with 10 litres of blood he can spill

he only makes four kills


Wielding the blade of the mistress Mephala

he would motivate soldiers to fight harder

destroying those who stand in his way

killing those who trusted him always



He cuts through the forces of rebellion

creates turmoil amongst thier "petty" insurrection

and swiftly cuts a line through windhelm

seperating the Ulfric from his terrible realm


Hope you like it! — Unsigned comment by AlphaArgonian182 (talkcontribs) at 00:26 on 15 July 2012

Thankyou. I'll have to update it for Skyrim soon. The Silencer speaksTalk 14:02, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Class FixesEdit

Okay, as discussed, the bot's fixing the classes you identified as needing updated. Current ETA is about 22:30 UTC (so a little over an hour from now), though that could change a fair bit depending on how evenly distributed the changes are. Robin Hoodtalk 21:16, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

"Rival wiki?"Edit

Don't give them too much credit. Just sayin'. ThuumofReason 21:51, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

They are a wiki about The Elder Scrolls, therefore they are a rival. That being said, they do seem to need our "help" to improve their site. They even have a written policy on not stealing our content The Silencer speaksTalk 21:57, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

BlockerEdit

I've made you a blocker for now. --AKB Talk Cont Mail 16:38, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

OK. Now I'll have to work out how to do it. The Silencer speaksTalk 16:43, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
As it's been a few days and I haven't seen any more issues, I'm removing you from blockers. --AKB Talk Cont Mail 00:28, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Unsure how to handleEdit

This page was created and I'm not sure how to deal with it. It doesn't add anything and it doesn't seem like it should be on a talk page, if that is the only thing to be said. --SPMcKinneyTCE 21:44, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Without some strange circumstances indicating a bug, it has no bearing. Just killing someone does not give you a bounty, there needs to be a witness. The Silencer speaksTalk 21:48, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
Ok I'll delete it and put that reason thanks :D --SPMcKinneyTCE 21:52, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
Perhaps it would be best to remove the prod and reply to the anon by explaining how the bounty works? Alternatively, post on the anon's talk page? Some people may think that bounties work differently than they actually do, thus needing this explanation. Vely►t►e 22:14, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
The cheeky smiley face (:p) at the end suggests that the anon knows fully well how the bounty system works. Without a question or the circumstances there is no relevance to the article. The Silencer speaksTalk 22:17, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

You use the Minor Edit thing too muchEdit

Deleting the Oghma Infinium Infinite Use Glitch from the Discerning the Transmundane page isn't a minor edit. Moving it to a new section AKA reorganizing, is. <.< 72.161.219.157 00:07, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Making an uncontroversial deletion in line with the sites policies, while explaining it in my summary is, imo, a minor edit. Minor and Major edits are subject to opinion, there is no set rule on what is and what isn't. The Silencer speaksTalk 00:11, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
According to this Wikipedia Help Document (with Wikipedia generally being used to help fill gaps in our guidelines and policies unless brought to discussion), generally any kind of reversion of anything except for straight up vandalism should be treated as a major edit. While there is no policy on it, and I've personally been making this error a lot recently, you're basically only supposed to use it for maintenance (such as when you make grammatical corrections). Reversions, especially when an edit war appears to be brewing, as was the case with this, shouldn't be marked as minor. It's not that important, but you should not be marking it as minor in these cases. --AKB Talk Cont Mail 00:28, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
There is a set of guidelines on minor edits, actually. They can be found here. -ABCface 00:41, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for pointing them out, I knew we had them somewhere. but couldn't find them. There you go, the only real change between policies is that you shouldn't mark vandalism as minor. The reasoning for this being that we're much smaller than Wikipedia and don't see nonsense every hour of the day. --AKB Talk Cont Mail 00:47, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
I have stated my reasoning for the first instance on the page in question above. The reasoning for the second instance was a revert, and starting a discussion on the articles talk page immediatly afterward stating why I had removed it.
In the first paragraph of the wikipedia page the line A minor edit is one that the editor believes requires no review and could never be the subject of a dispute appears. This is the basic idea of what I believed. However the page then goes on to state certain circumstances under which it is not minor even if the statement above is true. So it seems my idea of a minor edit was not quite correct. The Silencer speaksTalk 00:54, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
Huh...you learn something new every day! I also had been using Wikipedia's standard for reverting vandalism. I suppose it's not as big of a deal for those of us who can block (even if only temporarily), since we're the ones that are actually dealing with the vandals, but I'll try to get in the habit of not marking vandalism reversions as minor here from now on. Robin Hoodtalk 03:36, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks!Edit

Thanks for correcting the namespace for my sandbox Silencer!I owe you one!--Skyrimplayer 23:07, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

No problem :) you might see that we posted a message on each others page at the same time :) The Silencer speaksTalk 23:12, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
^_^--Skyrimplayer 23:13, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

CongratsEdit

For becoming an autopatrolled user :) Vely►t►e 23:18, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations!--Skyrimplayer 23:21, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Sorry!Edit

I checked around the Bethesda forums and found some info to confirm what I said to be invalid. However, what I found also provided some insight into a note (which I have hastily mentioned on the Patch page). Sorry about the mix-up! MethodicMockingbird 20:34, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

No problem. It's difficult on my end to find things like that because I'm european and have to wait :( The Silencer speaksTalk 20:38, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
At this point we may all be waiting for quite a bit longer. :/ MethodicMockingbird 20:43, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

TOC in Base Weapons articleEdit

I'm just curious as to why you put it back to the right. The idea I had of putting it to the left when it's still a huge blank space between the "Note" down to "Axes" in that article, is that it's the very first thing you'd be looking at. As much as it's "stylish" it's also more practical putting it to the left, since out of sheer habit and nature of articles have the TOC to the left. What I could tell of the nature of the article before was that the TOC was put to the right with an idea of it fitting it in with the content, but since it managed to place the text awkwardly around I placed it to the left and moved it all down. Besides that, I do appreciate that you edited the massive blank with NewLine, now that I've learned about that I can use that instead.

--Barbapopo 21:33, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

I find that when its on the right it goes beside the text rather than under or above it. That way it reduces the total length of the page. The Silencer speaksTalk 21:54, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
The previous edit did stretch the page, but that's because of how it was edited by me in previous to NewLine. Editing it to TOCLeft has the exact same result in terms of length. --Barbapopo 22:08, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
Ah yes, I see it now. In that case I have no issue with where you want to place it. The Silencer speaksTalk 22:15, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Changing UsernameEdit

Thank you for the message as I do want to change my username. I was on the Administrator Noticeboard when I got your message. I really did not see where you request that except by adding new topic on discussion page. Hope that is correct way to go about it. [[User:Smithmon4444|Maeve]] 23:27, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Any advice for a newcomer to the UESP?Edit

Sorry to bother you, but I'm new to the Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages and am unsure what I should be doing at the moment. I do have plenty of experience with wiki editing in general, however. If you could give me a head's up as to what I could help with at the moment, I would definitely appreciate it. Thank you. Astos (talk) 19:25, 9 September 2012 (EDT)

In general terms the newest pages are always needing brought up to scratch, but for Hearthfire (the newest) you would have to be on Xbox, and for Dawnguard, you would need Xbox or PC. Failing that we have a Task List, where the general concentration should be. Other than that, even though you have wiki experience, it may help just to click the random page button looking for spelling and grammar mistakes. Though seemingly boring, it can help you to understand the formatting and style of this particular wiki, which has some inconsistencies and differences to other wikis, even those with similar layouts. Many pages from the vanilla Skyrim game are still relatively empty, so there certainly isn't a shortage of places to start looking for work. Golden SilenceBreak the Silence 19:40, 9 September 2012 (EDT)
I think I'll start off by doing what you said about checking out different articles using the Random Page button since it should help me familiarize myself with the wiki's formatting and style. I'll also be sure to check out the Task List and see what I can do to help there. Thank you for your advice. Astos (talk) 19:51, 9 September 2012 (EDT)

Tes5Mod:Actor_Value_IndicesEdit

Actor Value Indices I think you actually misread what I wrote. I added a precision that the "enum:" means numerical values beginning at 0. It was not obvious to me the first couple of times I read this page, and I actually searched for more information about this subject. Hence why I added some information + examples about that particular issue. Now, you completely rolled back what I added saying that it's already stated in confidence, the subject wasn't "confidence" specifically, if you think of a better way to present said data, be my guest.

Thank you for taking this into consideration. selfedit: forgot to sign 84.101.149.153 12:06, 12 September 2012 (GMT)

It's clear now what you meant, and I have no problem with it. Someone may edit it for better presentation (if needed), but an example is beneficial, imo, to the page. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Golden SilenceBreak the Silence 17:41, 12 September 2012 (GMT)
No problem, it happens, happy it turned out for the better :). Have a nice day. 84.101.149.153 21:11, 12 September 2012 (GMT)

Epic poem!Edit

Like aplhaargonian i have a poem to!

Uhh..this guy was awsome

Murdered guys and uh..

Made people not live

He made Ulfric die

He made others die

Uhhhhh....7??????

And everyone was happy!

The end — Unsigned comment by Awsomedawg (talkcontribs) at 22:21 on 14 September 2012‎

Thanks :) Golden SilenceBreak the Silence 22:29, 14 September 2012 (GMT)

spam picturesEdit

Silencer, I have a quick question. What would be the appropriate way to handle a spam upload? Should I replace it with a blank file until an admin removes it, or what? Right now it is just holding up space. I've already marked the page for deletion, but I can not remove the photo, at least I do no think I can. Edit:The same user appears to be uploading more photos of them self to the wiki.A Reno I believe.--Br3admax (talk) 16:31, 15 September 2012 (GMT)

Only an admin can delete pages (including files). The image in question poses no issues beyond spamming, so speed tagging it is ok. If it were anything more adult-related, uploading something on top of it would be a good ides, to stop a nasty image being inserted into an article. EC: I contacted a blocker to stop them. Golden SilenceBreak the Silence 16:37, 15 September 2012 (GMT)
That's what I assumed and thanks.--Br3admax (talk) 16:40, 15 September 2012 (GMT)

World Interactions pageEdit

Awesome job on the World Interactions article! Such a huge improvement. --Xyzzy Talk 18:39, 22 September 2012 (GMT)

No problem, I did what I could, but trying to encounter all the interactions was so time-consuming I just gave up and posted it. Golden SilenceBreak the Silence 18:51, 22 September 2012 (GMT)
Yeah, that looks much better than what was there before. I tweaked a few things I noticed, but feel free to adjust column widths or whatever. I didn't go through the entire page for consistency, I just found they stood out in that one section in particular, so I went through just that one. Robin Hoodtalk 20:17, 22 September 2012 (GMT)

Markarth PeopleEdit

I didn't understand your edit summary on Skyrim:Markarth People, otherwise I'd just check and fix the issue myself. I accidentally seem to have edited an older version, or I just didn't get an EC for some reason. Either way, there's been a bit of a confusing set of edits to the page. Can you double-check whatever it was you were concerned about and make sure the current version of the page is correct. Thanks! Robin Hoodtalk 00:44, 1 October 2012 (GMT)

Something strange is going on there, it didn't remove the ones I planned to. What I meant was that near the end of the quest there is a choice to be made between the prisoners and Thonar of who lives. Other than that there are no other definite deaths, and so any non-essential NPCs are subject to being killed, but not with enough probability of being noteworthy. Golden SilenceBreak the Silence 00:48, 1 October 2012 (GMT)
It worked for what I meant now. All the others are victims of the "wrong-place-wrong-time bug". The only guaranteed death possibilities in that quest are now marked. Golden SilenceBreak the Silence 01:00, 1 October 2012 (GMT)
Ah, I get it now! Thanks for checking and re-doing your edit. Robin Hoodtalk 01:03, 1 October 2012 (GMT)

You Edited?Edit

Hello Silencer. I see you edited one of my contributions to the Disposition page. As a matter of fact you didn't just edit it, You blank-paged it! I'm not doubting your judgement, actually I wanted to know what was wrong with it so I don't make a similar mistake in the future. As you can probally tell I'm very new to this website editing wise (I'm so new im not sure if I'm posting this in the right place....) and I was wondering if i could get any tips for a newcomer to the website? Thanks man.

Redsword2222,~~DoucheBaguette~~

The majority of the paragraph focused too much on what dialogue NPCs had under certain conditions. There was a small portion in the middle about diseases lowering disposition that could be added to the "Lowering Disposition" section, but I didn't feel I could extract that information in a correct manner, as I haven't played the game, and thus couldn't be certain of the wording.
I'm not the best for giving tips on things, but I can answer questions as best I can. I've only been an internet editor since ~March, but if you have any questions then feel free to e-mail me or come on the IRC, where more people are available in real time. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 15:21, 21 October 2012 (GMT)

Your revert of my edit to the Dark Brotherhood lore article is not reflective of any consensusEdit

The consensus was that the content about what happened in Skyrim was staying. There is absolutely nothing in the discussion to indicate consensus on anything else. I didn't touch the content. As stated in the comments edit I simply added a notation to explain the lack of clarity per AKB's statement on the Discussion page - "The only thing really worth discussing is discussing altering the text that is the subject of this discussion to explain the lack of clarity." If you have problems about the form of my edit please note that this footnote is consistent with the disclosure of conflicting events that has been on the Stormcloak Rebellion lore page for months, but in a less intrusive way by not inserting itself into the actual lore narrative to allow the narrative to be as consistent as it can in reflecting the perspective of an anonymous citizen of Tamriel following historical events of TES media. I'd appreciate you acknowledging your error by reverting my edit back. Thanks--DagmarH (talk) 03:16, 18 November 2012 (GMT)

As your own comment suggests, the existing discussion on the article talk page is the more appropriate place to discuss this. Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 04:13, 18 November 2012 (GMT)
Citing a page that has a cleanup tag wanting the information page is hardly helping your cause, "Listing all possible battles as definitely having taken place is going to cause confusion, and bringing too much game-specific stuff into Lore is undesirable. How about using a phrase along the lines of "Latest studies of the Elder Scrolls show two possible outcomes and couching things in hypotheticals?" Continue your arguments on the articles talk page where it is more appropriate instead of trying to circumvent consensus, which is unacceptable. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 10:59, 18 November 2012 (GMT)

HelloEdit

Hi there, and thank you for the introduction. I am a frequent editor of another wiki, and if you would like to start me off on something, I would be more than happy to contribute. I hope to see you around, and thank you for the greetings. User:Warrior of Order 00:53, 26 November 2012 (GMT)

Your respite "verification needed" tag revertEdit

I did check through the archives for Restoration but didn't see anything that talked about Respite erroneously affecting enemies; the only vaguely-related mention I saw was how Grand Healing could occasionally heal others. Do you mind pointing me to the source? And it might be useful to reference that source in the bug note for Respite, as UESPWiki is literally the only site that mentions this Respite-affects-enemies-bug. (207.114.134.61 18:05, 27 November 2012 (GMT))

Bah, I finally registered. So I have a talk page now, if needed. (Thelee (talk) 18:11, 27 November 2012 (GMT))
It's hard to test enemy stamina on the PS3, but using an ice spell to slow down an enemy and then healing them with the respite perk proves it for me. Healing without Respite only affects their health, their movements are still visibly slowed. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 20:57, 27 November 2012 (GMT)
I think the issue is when Respite is buggy. If the spell actually heals the enemy, then I fully expect Respite to also heal them. The note in question suggests that Respite _always_ restores stamina to the enemy, such as with Grand Healing or Heal Other on invalid targets. (Thelee (talk) 18:35, 28 November 2012 (GMT))
Also - the slow effect of Ice effects is dependent on Stamina? (Thelee (talk) 18:37, 28 November 2012 (GMT))
With that clarification, I can see that the note reads that healing spells will restore stamina to automata, and then it mentions Grand Healing. Only Grand Healing affects automata, so I'll re-add a vn tag, and start a discussion on the talk page. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 21:36, 28 November 2012 (GMT)
Thanks! (Thelee (talk)) 21:41, 28 November 2012

Dragonborn PreparedEdit

That's a brilliant idea, preparing news stories in advance. I was honestly getting ready to do that, coming to the same idea myself. What better way to make sure news gets out in time, then writing news pieces in advance? We should make note to prepare news pieces in advance for known releases whenever we can, so they'll be ready and polished for when the time comes. Kudos. --AKB Talk Cont Mail 19:57, 3 December 2012 (GMT)

I assumed this was standard practice and just wanted to be prepared. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 20:08, 3 December 2012 (GMT)
Surprisingly, no. We didn't even have a news piece for Skyrim's release until 11/11/11. In the future, we should definitely be doing this. --AKB Talk Cont Mail 20:16, 3 December 2012 (GMT)

Black BooksEdit

It appears that the Black Books are both items, and quests. The books suck you into the Mora's Plane of Oblivion. They seem to be a bit cut and paste, they all have the same stages, just with the relevant book name taking its place. Like with Untold Legends

Stage 10: I read the Black Book called "Untold Legends", and found myself in Hermaeus Mora's realm of Apocrypha. I should uncover the knowledge hidden here, or read the book again to escape.

Stage 20: I uncovered the hidden knowledge contained in the Black Book "Untold Legends".

That's how they all go. I'm unsure of what rewards they give, if any. The books need to be moved, and a disambiguation page set up for the quest and book. --AKB Talk Cont Mail 01:09, 5 December 2012 (GMT)

If the quest is identically named then a disambig is the way to go. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 01:12, 5 December 2012 (GMT)
They are identical, all named after their book. --AKB Talk Cont Mail 01:14, 5 December 2012 (GMT)
I'll set them up then. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 01:17, 5 December 2012 (GMT)

"Bad Form?"Edit

I'm taking this off the egg talk page, since this is between the two of us and that page doesn't need any more clutter than it already has. I really just wanted to say this: Please don't preach to me. I've been on this site longer than you, and patroller or no, you don't speak down to me, especially when I've done nothing wrong. Dismissing my grounds for opposition of something that had (however briefly) already been discussed isn't exactly taking the moral high ground either, and it doesn't help when you incorrectly dismiss the previous discussion as "barely relevant". Now that I've said that, let's move on and forget this happened, m'kay? ThuumofReason (talk) 19:33, 17 December 2012 (GMT)

The scene from Star Wars was linked to a different thing in that section, this is about a different scene in Skyrim. It warrants a new section, untainted by previous links. You have previously told people to check the archives and been wrong. In future you could add a link to the relevant archive section so you won't be told you are wrong again. Dismissing things out of hand is a peculiar trait, and I could easily bring up many posts that simply say "not an egg", or words to that effect. My position as patroller, or someone having been on the site for longer than me has nothing to do with anything, and I have no intention of bowing to someone who I believe to be wrong simply due to position or elder status. That would be far more detrimental to the wiki than starting a discussion. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 19:55, 17 December 2012 (GMT)
Who's asking you to bow to anybody? I'm asking you to not put down my rationale, and furthermore I'm trying to ask you politely not to lecture me. Your choice of words made it seem very much like you were lecturing me or rebuking me, which I do not believe is called for. The point is, you don't need to say something is "in bad form" to someone who knows that very well, and in doing so, you come across as snobby. I believe you once posted something on my talk page to the effect of "Don't Template the Regulars", well it's the same principle here (and similar circumstances; I'm not sure I was as in error as much as you seem to think either then or now). As for "dismissing things out of hand", that was not what I was doing, nor do I understand why you are convinced that that was what I WAS doing. I gave several reasons for my disagreement, one of which was the link to the previous discussion. You say that I have previously told people in error to check the archives, which I have no recollection of doing. Maybe I forgot, I admit it's possible, but I would very much like to see examples of this if you can provide them; again, I think you and I have different opinions on what constitutes me being "in error". ThuumofReason (talk) 21:25, 17 December 2012 (GMT)
He has every right (some may argue an obligation) to "put down" your rationale and/or the way you handle others on the talk page if he disagrees with your reasoning or methods. You're essentially asking him to bow down (i.e. defer) to you by telling him not to do so. I don't know what your intent was, but just so you're aware, very little of your comment struck me as "polite". You said please, sure, but then followed it up with the order "don't speak down to me", at the time trying to pull rank on him, as if your opinion merits more deference due to the date on which you created your account. By the way, you've only been here about three months longer, and he has thousands more contributions than you, so I don't think it's a road you want to go down. On top of all that, you created this as an aside to the talk page discussion, yet you impliedly continued that discussion when you said he "incorrectly" dismissed the previous discussion (while at the same time misquoting him). If this is really just between the two of you, leave the arguing about the subject on the talk page. And that "m'kay" comes off as very patronizing, which seems to be exactly what you're accusing him of. Your objective here doesn't seem to be to quell squabbling, but rather, to "speak down to" Silencer in the same way you perceived he did to you. Basically, your initial comment should've ended three sentences earlier. If all you really wanted to say was "Please don't preach to me", you should've stopped there. Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 21:49, 17 December 2012 (GMT)
Well, that wasn't my intent, and I apologize if it came across that way. I don't "pull rank" when I have none to speak of, and even if I did, I wouldn't go around flaunting it like I was better than everybody else. That is not how I do things, and if that's how (either of) you took it, I apologize. If my comment struck you as being rather perturbed, that would be because it was. I merely wanted him to not call me out on something when he apparently misunderstood my intent in disagreeing with adding that egg. On that note, I would like to know specifically what about my comment on the eggs page was so against site policies that it merited being called out on, as I'm still not quite clear on that. If he disagrees with my reasoning or methods on a personal level, that's his right, but I still don't believe anybody has the right to say someone is wrong because their opinions are different, and that's what I perceive it as being. If my comment WAS against some rule or policy, that would be different, but I fail to see, nor has it been explained to me, how it was. As for the "m'kay" bit, I'm afraid that's no more than a mannerism of speech for me, but if it really bothers you, Minor, I'll stop using it. ThuumofReason (talk) 23:47, 17 December 2012 (GMT)
No worries; it doesn't bother me. I just thought you should know, for people my age, at least, that phrase is associated with Bill Lumbergh (sp) from Office Space and Counselor Mackey from South Park, both of whom are patronizing authority figures who talk down to their subordinates. When you used it above, that's the connotation it held for me.
Sometimes it's not about policy, just about content. But I can't speak for Silencer. Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 00:18, 18 December 2012 (GMT)
Then I'd like to get his input before I say any more. ThuumofReason (talk) 00:22, 18 December 2012 (GMT)

File:Krinkle RTRC.jsEdit

Hi Silencer! File:Krinkle RTRC.js is showing up in wanted files, and apparently it's coming from your common.js. Is this something you're planning to upload sometime soon? If not, can you remove it without ruining your script? Thanks :). eshetalk 14:55, 18 December 2012 (GMT)

I copied it verbatim from the user on wikimedia, they ask for it to be left in for usage statistics. I checked that list on wikimedia and it cannot detect other sites where it is used, so I removed it, and it still works. What it does is create a pop-up when you hover over a link, and you can preview the changes without opening the link. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 19:43, 18 December 2012 (GMT)
Oh, neato! Thanks for taking care of it :). eshetalk 19:46, 18 December 2012 (GMT)

PatrollingEdit

Hey Silencer! Thanks for keeping an eye on the RC lately. I've just noticed a couple of things I wanted to mention (nothing serious, just kind of a heads-up). First, please be careful about calling things "nonsense" in your edit summaries. Some of the edits you've called nonsense were really just good-faith attempts to add content, and it's important that we not chase away potential new editors. In a couple of those cases, it looks like the content really was worth saving and just needed a bit of attention. If you run across edits like that and don't feel like re-writing them yourself, just leave it for another patroller (or add a cleanup tag if it was a lot of content). Someone will get to it eventually!

Also, when people post comments on the wrong talk pages or on articles, the most helpful thing to do is to move that comment to the correct talk page (and leave a note with the {{Discussion moved}} template if necessary). At least that way the question is still preserved somewhere, in case someone else is able to help out with whatever the problem was.

Anyway, like I said, it's nothing major, but with so few people doing regular patrolling nowadays it really helps when everyone is thorough ;). Thanks a bunch! eshetalk 23:29, 22 December 2012 (GMT)

Are you referring to my use of "nonsensical" as term for undoing edits. If that is the case, I use it in the definition of lacking the ability to be understood (i.e. lacking sense), such as this edit where I used other words. It is hard to understand; I can guess at the meaning, but I am not going to take responsibility for making it clearer, when it lacks the links to make that possible. Thus I would be putting words into someone's mouth, and possibly turning it into false info. Nonsense is different and I make that distinction when I revert.
In terms of moving questions to talk pages, I have done so before and will do again. My opinion on the matter is that if the person believes it to be of importance, they will come back and make a similar enquiry somewhere. Plus we should not be moving all of them, thus encouraging laziness, and bad editing. I try to make judgment calls on these though, as some are of more importance than others. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 23:57, 22 December 2012 (GMT)
I understand that you didn't mean the "nonsense" thing to be offensive, but still, people don't often take it well, and it's something that we try to avoid when possible. Also, I know it can sometimes to tough to decide whether an edit is useful but needs cleanup or if it's just not adding anything to the article. The edit you cited above was probably the latter, but this edit just needed a little work, assuming it's true (but a {{vn}} would take care of that pretty quickly).
The same pretty much applies with questions that have been posted on the wrong page. There are some questions that clearly don't need to be moved (such as nonsense/forum-like posts or questions that have already been answered, in which case you could just point out where the answer is in your edit summary). I was referring specifically to this edit; it sounds like the person who posted it was having a legitimate issue. If it's worth mentioning in your edit summary to take it to a talk page, it's worth taking the time to assume the person doesn't know better and move it yourself. Remember, not everyone is as comfortable with navigating our site or with our policies as we are, some people have never used a wiki before, and many don't speak English as a first language. We're here to help if we can, easy as that :). eshetalk 00:21, 23 December 2012 (GMT)

sicEdit

please don't change this, cause although we don't talk about the wiki, we like to pretend that we do [sic]. Jeancey (talk) 20:46, 23 December 2012 (GMT)

It was deliberate... really. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 20:51, 23 December 2012 (GMT)

Father of the NibenEdit

To be honest, the name of the page should be moved. It isn't capitalized in the actual title of the book, just the page. In fact, the lore article isn't capitalized, but the oblivion and skyrim ones are. Jeancey (talk) 22:03, 23 December 2012 (GMT)

I don't know for sure what the capitalization was in Oblivion, but it's capitalized in Skyrim. So no, it should stay where it is in Skyrim, and be capitalized when mentioned. The title on the first page isn't capitalized though, but that's another story. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 22:10, 23 December 2012 (GMT)
It is capitalized in the inventory (just tested it ingame), book page names use inventory names. --Alfwyn (talk) 22:12, 23 December 2012 (GMT)
Hmm... Then the issue is with the lore page not being capitalized? Jeancey (talk) 22:13, 23 December 2012 (GMT)
Depends on the inventory name in Oblivion, if someone feels like firing it up. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 22:14, 23 December 2012 (GMT)
Already playing it. Give me a few minutes to go find it. Jeancey (talk) 22:15, 23 December 2012 (GMT)
It's "Father Of The Niben" in Oblivion. Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 22:17, 23 December 2012 (GMT)

() It looks like the inventory name is capitalized, and the name in the text of the book is not. So should the NAME of the lore page be changed, and the text stay the same? Jeancey (talk) 22:20, 23 December 2012 (GMT)

Yes. Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 01:13, 29 December 2012 (GMT)


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