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Now that was one original freudian slip :) — Unsigned comment by Vook (talkcontribs)

Gahh.. I revised it before, but I did it again in the Summary. I blame it on a faulty "R" key. --Aristeo 03:26, 11 May 2006 (EDT)

Discussion submitted to Oblivion Talk:Glitches.

I agree, though I don't have any strong opinion on the title/location of the Oblivion:Glitches page. Just that User:Horseboy makes a mess of it by flaming, spamming etc. I reverted most and cleaned up the rest of his edits, but... I think the page could really use a split into sections. Something like:

  • Exploits (game bugs and design decisions exploitable to your unfair advantage - 100% chameleon, permanent bound, duplication)
  • Tips (counterintuitive exploitable design decisions - rest while swimming, 100% fame.)
  • Tricks (Doing "forbidden stuff" without any advantage, while require serious effort. Get out of town, get past invisible walls, fall through floor)
  • Goofs/Bloppers (steal staff from self, ladder in lighthouse - permanent silly goofs that just are there.)
  • Random fun (Personal accounts of random fun accidents, non-repeatable - Radiant Stupidity, enemies follow you for a week)
  • Problem bugs (things to avoid: crash game, break quest)

Add, change, modify, discuss or submit for public discussion at will.

Plain bad design decisions resulting in no advantage have their place in Oblivion:Gripes. — Unsigned comment by Vook (talkcontribs)

Just remember to assume good faith, and don't be too hard on the newbie. I agree with you that this page does get a lot of spam in general, and the page should be divided into sections. I like your section titles, but I have a couple of suggestions:
  • I'm creating a page called "Oblivion:Cheats". Exploits, tricks, and tips should probally go there.
  • "Random fun" will probally be a spam magnet, and should be in the discussion or not there at all.
--Aristeo 17:13, 16 May 2006 (EDT)

I'm more pwnage then you! And you know it, don't you? - Magnus

*Sigh* Indeed. It's true. :( --Aristeo 20:06, 31 May 2006 (EDT)

(Cookie from Dr. Photon moved to my Cookie Jar)

Thanks for the cookie. It really means a lot. :) --Aristeo 04:21, 19 June 2006 (EDT)


Irc meeting topic request[edit]

Hi Aristeo,

Thank you for the cookie :)

As i'm now at normal work level and not able to take part on the IRC meeting (9:15 pm your time means 3:15 am over here) i would like to aks you to remember Dave on the Image map extension at that meeting. If he implements it, i could start using it the following weekend.

Greetings, The Nerevarine 15:51, 21 June 2006 (EDT)

Another deletion candidate.[edit]

Hey, while you're in a deleting-stuff mood, you can take care of this one: Oblivion_Talk:Gottesfont_priory Improper spelling of Gottlefont/Gottlesfont, and I forgot to capitalize the 'P'. It's been sitting there for months, reminding me to always use the "Preview" button before hitting "Save". Thanks. --TheRealLurlock 20:23, 25 June 2006 (EDT)

Deleted :) --Aristeo 20:27, 25 June 2006 (EDT)

Better deletion explanation[edit]

See my new better deletion explanation on Oblivion Talk:Omnipotence Ring. Thanks --Actreal 23:40, 27 June 2006 (EDT)

Thanks :D --Aristeo 23:43, 27 June 2006 (EDT)

I'm Away[edit]

Since you seem to be the more active of the Sysops at the moment, just letting you know I'm away on vacation for the next 3 weeks so won't be around at all in case you or someone is looking for me. Keep up the great work (you make me feel guilty for not doing more ;) -- DaveH 21:34, 29 June 2006 (EDT)

Three weeks without poking you on your talk page... I don't know if I can handle it! :P Have a good wiki-break. :) --Aristeo 21:37, 29 June 2006 (EDT)

Steadily Improving[edit]

Well, since you asked, the only thing I can speak from authority on is the stuff I've been steadily doing, just poring through the CS and extracting every useful chunk of info from it I can. See the "What Have I Done" section on my user page for examples of that. Most of my additions have been of the "data-dump" variety, just get as much up as possible, and worry about cleaning it up nicely later. Seen alot of holes filled, running out of good sections to create. (Though the one I'm working on now will be a doozy. See the Oblivion Talk:Magic_Items page for the description of my new work in progress.) This site is pretty close to being the single definitive source for all info regarding this series of games, certainly more complete than any other site I've seen. (Most likely thanks to the wiki-format, because no single person has the time or patience to do this much work by themselves...) Anyhow, that's my 2 cents on the subject. Feel free to quote or paraphrase, whatever. --TheRealLurlock 18:34, 30 June 2006 (EDT)

And thanks for those two cents. :D --Aristeo 18:37, 30 June 2006 (EDT)

Another two cents.... I think all the work you've been doing to set up general UESPWiki info is great, and think it'll make it alot easier for new people to get started (and I'd guess from the new names that keep popping up that there are alot of people joining!). And all your new templates to help standardize things. Lurlock's work filling in all the books has been impressive. There are definitely alot less missing pages -- I notice it on the Places page in particular. The pages are getting better organized, and some of them are looking quite polished (i.e, Spells). The pages are all becoming better cross-linked, so I think it's getting easier to dive in to one page and browse around to related information from there. Sometimes it's easy to get overly focussed on all the things that you'd still like to see done -- it's good to step back occasionally and remember where things were at just a month ago (which is about as far back as my knowledge of things go!). --Nephele 12:30, 1 July 2006 (EDT)

There's still quite a few "drudgery" sections to be filled, like the rest of books, places and such. (of course I love filling in places in the 1st hand experience style, I exit a ruin or a fort, save, quit, load UESP and write a review of what I just went through :) --Vook 04:01, 2 July 2006 (EDT)

"Rest of the books"? To which books are you referring? I thought I was pretty thorough (maybe a little too thorough) with the Oblivion books. I could go through the Morrowind books I guess, but I thought those were done already. (Though I have found some gaps - 36 Lessons of Vivec only went up to 13.) I don't have any of the other games, though, so if there's anything missing from them, somebody else will have to take care of them. --TheRealLurlock 08:39, 2 July 2006 (EDT)
Okay, my info is outdated :) About a week ago I had too much time on my hands and decided to read some overdue texts, and found quite a few missing. Now most of them is in there. --Vook 17:01, 2 July 2006 (EDT)


Do you think it would be a good idea good to make some space for fanfic/fanart of each of the games? Like I have two pieces of fanfic (one for MW, one for Ob) and really no place for them. Of course that would be a selfish plug if I created a separate section just for one story, so asking for opinion... --Vook 17:04, 2 July 2006 (EDT)

Yeah, I like it. Submitting it would mean you are licensing it to UESP, however. --Aristeo 17:05, 2 July 2006 (EDT)

My Renaming[edit]

I notice you just redirected Lurlock to TheRealLurlock. Is this in preparation for merging my accounts or something? Would it help if I logged off for a little while? And should I log on as Lurlock in the future? Just want to make sure this doesn't screw up my contributions page or something. (I often use it to keep track of pages I've worked on.) Let me know what I can do (if anything) to make this easier. --TheRealLurlock 19:56, 6 July 2006 (EDT)

The redirect isn't anything administrative. I just did it so people will know that Lurlock = TheRealLurlock. --Aristeo 21:28, 6 July 2006 (EDT)


Quick: someone needs to put a block on User:Nigger ASAP!!!--Nephele 12:41, 20 July 2006 (EDT)

Blocked, reverting vandalism now --Aristeo 12:45, 20 July 2006 (EDT)
Reverted vandalism. --Aristeo 12:49, 20 July 2006 (EDT)
Thanks, I kind of went into panic mode there, seeing all the pages go blank in front of my eyes.--Nephele 12:53, 20 July 2006 (EDT)
Only took about 30 clicks on his contribution page to revert. Only thing we have to worry about now is how we're going to report him on the vandalism page. =/ --Aristeo 12:55, 20 July 2006 (EDT)
I'll leave that up to you administrator-types.... I'm not sure about the obscenity implications of how many times we want to type out his name!--Nephele 13:06, 20 July 2006 (EDT)
Check out the UESPWiki_talk:Configuration page. I starred out his name, and linked to his contribs and block log pages. Hopefully everyone will get the idea. --Aristeo 13:12, 20 July 2006 (EDT)

(Cookie from Nephele moved to my Cookie Jar)

It feels like I've been an admin forever. Just one month ago I put my request for adminship on the configuration list, promising to help find vandalism and to help out with admin duties. I remember the very first thing I did was clear out the to be deleted category >:D. We've have had some great times, we've gained some great people, but have lost some good people as well. I'm glad to have you on the team, Nephele, and thank you for the cookie. :) --Aristeo 18:43, 22 July 2006 (EDT)


(Cookie from Rethenmiir Hlao moved to my Cookie Jar.)

Thanks, Rethenmiir :) --Aristeo 08:10, 26 July 2006 (EDT)


Yo, Aristeo, you gotta go on this site, I see you signed up, but have yet to post.

I'm probally not going to post, but I might read those contracts from time to time. --Aristeo 22:19, 24 July 2006 (EDT)

Oh, ok, You might want to check out these ones, I reccomend them:

They feature:

  • Good story
  • Good length
  • Good Gameplay
  • Complex story
  • Good use of in game objects
  • A story that makes sense in relation to the characters dialouge

Rethenmiir Hlao 12:20AM 29 July

Mass Deletion[edit]

Ah, hello Aristeo! Today I uploaded 16 new spell icon images. Unfortunately, I forgot to use the O- prefix on the filenames that we'd agreed on. So I've uploaded all 16 a second time, with the right name, and marked the ones with a wrong name for deletion. I thought it'd be a good idea to leave a message here, so you're not wondering why a bunch of pages all got marked at once. It's not vandalism, I promise!  ;)

Also, I'm trying to upload new versions of some of the other icons. When I do so, I'm asked to confirm that I want to replace the images, and then I get an error message: 'Could not rename file "/home/www/" to "/home/www/!O-drain.gif".' If you have time, would you also be able to take a look at that? Thanks for your time, Aristeo! And sorry to make so much work for you. -- marbx Sat, 29 Jul 2006

I don't think Daveh set up the folder permissions correctly, so the software can't override the old files with the new files. What I have to do is delete the old files so the new files can be uploaded. As for the missing O- prefix files, I can delete those right now. --Aristeo 19:30, 29 July 2006 (EDT)
Well, shoot. I guess the thing to do, until directory permissions can be fixed, is to queue up all my new versions and kindly ask you to delete them all at once? Then I can immediately upload the new versions. -- marbx Sat, 29 Jul 2006 20:06 -0400 EDT
Sounds like a plan --Aristeo 20:09, 29 July 2006 (EDT)

Hello, the upgrade you (or whomever) performed on the site has resolved this problem! I can now replace my images at will. Thank you! -- Marbx 15:48, 31 July 2006 (EDT)

Request for Aid[edit]

Seeing as you are an administrator, I would like to request your input on a few inquiries of my own. I understand the depth of commitment such a position entails, and thus, am in no rush to recieve a reply, but am merely entreating you to drop by and answer those questions which you might on my user page. In gratitude for your time... — Unsigned comment by Booyah boy (talkcontribs)

I just read your user page, and I'll be able to reply around 3PM when I'm less busy. Welcome to the wiki, btw :) --Aristeo 11:26, 8 August 2006 (EDT)
Thank you for the kind welcome, I appreciate that. I am afraid I must log-off for the moment, but shall return later to read your comments, for which I also thank you.
Again, with gratitude...

Oblivion's horses[edit]

Hi, just thought I'd drop a quick note regarding this comment on the Oblivion's horse info page:

Note: The horse itself reports nothing, and if you are out in the wilderness, you can beat it repeatedly without bounty, although your conscience will flog you in return thereafter. Beating a horse within sight of NPCs, however, can land a bounty on your head. I suppose PETA must have a legislative lobby in Cyrodiil.

Just so you know, in the mid-1800's a man witnessed a work horse beaten to death by his owner in the middle of a street after the animal collapsed from exhaustion, starvation, prolonged mistreatment, and general neglect. Such acts were a fairly common occurance during the time period, but the horror of actually witnessing the act prompted the man to form the ASPCA (American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals), the very first animal protection agency of it's kind in the USA.

I know not all people think as highly of animals as others, but there is a human side to this tale: about 20 years later, a woman discovered a little girl (younger than 10, if memory serves right), whipped every day by her own parents, chained into her bedroom in complete darkness all day long, malnourished, and repeatedly cut with knives. At the time, no child abuse laws existed in the USA to protect this girl, so said woman appealed to... the ASPCA, who filed in court to win custody of the child under the argument that the girl was a member of the animal kingdom, therefore giving the ASPCA the right to sue on her behalf. ASPCA won the case, the girl was removed from the home, and the first ever child protection laws were created in this country, 1873. However, government-run child protection agencies were not realized until the 1930's... so for approximately 50 years, child protection remained under the blanket of animal welfare.

All of that from one man watching a horse beaten to death because it could no longer perform. Just something to think about... — Unsigned comment by Nordic ay (talkcontribs)

Yes, that is a very sad story, but I'm glad that story has a happy ending. In many ways we have improved over the years, and I'm glad to see that we have laws and agencies to prevent the abuse of animals and children. Also, I hope you don't mind that I removed that comment from that page. --Aristeo 09:34, 3 August 2006 (EDT)

Re: my edits.[edit]

I appologize for the Sandbox one, I was tired and was just checking it out. Forgot to reverse my edit later. As for the other edit, I don't see how that wouldn't benefit anyone. I waited, 1 hour at a time, for 5 days for the countess to show up, but she didn't. I was merely helping people that are in the same situation as I was.

Perhaps if you would care to elaborate and enlighten me as to how what I did was wrong (not the Sandbox thing, I admit that :D)

NEW REPLY: Logo Concepts[edit]

As promised, I am submitting the first two logo concepts I found time to bang out (I apologize as they were rather...rushed). I would be happy to modify any portion of either, or design something utterly different (as you can see each is based on the same image; I am, in fact, in the process of designing unique concepts at this very moment). Feedback would be appreciated. In gratitude for your time... -- Booyah boy 14:08, 10 August 2006 (EDT)
Concept I
Concept II

Wow! Those two pictures look great! Of the two, I like the first one the best. I have a couple recommendations for that first picture:
  • Make the word "Pages" a little larger, maybe as big as the words "The Unofficial".
  • Make the watermark in the center more noticeable.
  • Try adding some shading on the text; that might look good
Like I said, it looks great! Apologies for my hasty reply, as I'm a tad rushed at the moment. --Aristeo 15:03, 10 August 2006 (EDT)
Rushed, aye? I can understand that. I amended the first as per your instructions. Kindly tell me what you think...
Revised, Dark Edition
Revised, Light Edition
Oh, and thank you for the compliment. -- Booyah boy 15:41, 10 August 2006 (EDT)
I showed those two pictures to some people on IRC, and they liked the darker picture the best. They gave the following advice:
  • There should be a little shading on the curled bits of the paper
  • The center watermark should be a little bigger and more noticeable
  • The smaller text might be clearer by "reducing the width of the stroke outline around the letters"
  • "You could make the image large scale and let the computer do the calculations to shrink it. (Like 1000x1000 500ppi or something.) Then when you shrink it to web size, its nice and crisp."
The quoted parts were direct quotations from what the people on IRC said. They also said that the images are looking great, which I definatly agree with! Thanks again for doing this! --Aristeo 16:57, 10 August 2006 (EDT)
It's my pleasure, Aristeo. I'll get right on it, and see if I can't modify the images once more. Insofar as the stroke on the text goes, well, there is really little I can do about that (it's already set at one...I'll try reducing the opacity); making the watermark large is easy enough, and increasing it's fill is a matter of a moments time (I'll even create one with a new watermark, just to see if it appears any better); shading the curled bits of paper will take some time, as my original illustration will need to be modified to do so...which leads to the last bit of advice, that regarding the creation of a large-scale image...frankly, I cannot do that without a few days work. You see, I drew the parchment itself at the very size you see it (having created such solely for use with this logo), thus, I'll need some time to redraw and texture a larger image. I'll see how it looks after I take the other advice in hand, and create a larger one if necessary. -- Booyah boy 06:26, 11 August 2006 (EDT)
I can't wait until I see what it looks like. I bet it's going to look awesome :) --Aristeo 19:12, 12 August 2006 (EDT)
Thank you, Aristeo, I appreciate your faith. On that note, my apologies for the delay, I am afraid I was taken somewhat ill over the last two days, and thus, have been unable to work on the logo as often as I would like. With luck, I shall have the refined (as according to the notes last left me) small-image available by the evening of the fourteenth, and new concepts by the fifteenth.
Until then, I would appreciate your aid in other projects, most notably in answering some new inquires and/or referring others who might do so to them. You will find the questions listed under the "article" heading on my talk page. Thanks! -- Booyah boy 08:42, 14 August 2006 (EDT)
Here you are, the promised revised edition for this evening:
Latest Verison
As you can see, it is somewhat more "crisp" having been shrunk down from a 500x500 pixel version (which was rather grainy, as I attempted to retain the exact same proportions of the former parchment, as well as the same texturing and shading, which meant that certain things could not be done to enhance the clarity of the image), the center watermark was made significantly larger, the shading slightly darker (as well as added under the top curl), although, the "pages" text appears to have been obscured somewhat, despite my having reduced the opacity on the stroke, and removed the bevelling. Odd.
Well, tell me what you think, and if any further corrections should be done (which, undoubtedly, they should). I'll have some new concepts ready by this evening, and posted herein. Thank you. -- Booyah boy 06:43, 15 August 2006 (EDT)
Looks great! I'll make sure Daveh sees the most recent picture once he logs back into IRC. --Aristeo 16:33, 15 August 2006 (EDT)
Sounds good. I have another concept for you...sort of. I am still attempting to come up with an appropriate background setting for such (having abandoned placing it on a scroll as well, and currently working with a landscape vista), however, I thought I would give you a sneak peek at what I have thus far. Enjoy...
Concept II
-- Booyah boy 11:17, 17 August 2006 (EDT)
The logo on the main page has been with the site for a long time, so I doubt that should be replaced. --Aristeo 11:32, 17 August 2006 (EDT)
Fair enough, I understand the need to allow it to remain, if only for nostalgic purposes...not to count, if it's been there awhile, it is most likely somewhat iconically synonymous with the site.
I have some more small logos forthcoming (each awaiting the moment at which I can decide upon which font to use) within the next two days.
Apart from that, has Daveh had a chance to see the latest concept logo? Should I submit these on his page as well?
Yes, I showed the top-left corner proposal to him in IRC, and he said that he liked it. I'll talk to him about setting it up later when he logs back in. --Aristeo 13:39, 17 August 2006 (EDT)
I went ahead and created an image to the same proportion as that which is currently being used (that is, with a width of 135 pixels). It turns out, it was best that I do so, unless you guys wanted to use a larger image, as manually shrinking one of those I gave you greatly reduces the clarity of the text. So, after some fiddling with font-size and spacing, I was able to come up with an image of 135 pixels in width, 134 in height, and with the proper backing: Small Logo
-- Booyah boy 23:07, 18 August 2006 (EDT)

Article: Septim Dynasty[edit]

...I would like to inquire as to the foundation for an article on the Septim Dynasty (or Third Empire, or whatnot). I have been working on a chart of the Septim lineage - primarily tracing the Imperial bloodline - in anticipation of such, however, the chart being (mainly) self-explanatory, the article would be quite...slim, in it's initial state. Thus, again, I ask if it would be appropriate for me to create one? The chart (in it's current form, as it is a work-in-progress with aid from some of the good folk at the Imperial Library) may be viewed here: Septim Lineage Chart

The above is the stylized version, as a "flat" copy is also being made.
-- Booyah boy 08:42, 17 August 2006 (EDT)

Sure, I can be your mentor. And the Septim chart looks nice too; I have no problem with uploading it to the site. Giving it it's own article seems a little redundant, but perhaps you could link to where the image is on some of the Septim articles. --Aristeo 10:49, 17 August 2006 (EDT)
Fair enough. I'll scout out some appropriate articles and append the link.
Oh, and thanks for acting as my mentor, I appreciate it. -- Booyah boy 11:17, 17 August 2006 (EDT)
I could not find any articles in which the image would have a great impact (the most appropriate to a chart like itself being the timeline of the Third Era, however, it would skew the entire page were it inserted...not to count, it hardly tracks the entire span of time), and thus, uploaded such and left it for any editor who finds an appropriate location for it to freely use such. Moreso, the administrators over at The Imperial Library kindly agreed to host such, thus, it will at least be made available there, if no place for it at the UESP is ever found. -- Booyah boy 19:57, 17 August 2006 (EDT)
I asked Nephele about it, and she said to put it under somewhere like Tamriel:Septim Dynasty, and link to it on some of the historic pages. --Aristeo 10:57, 18 August 2006 (EDT)
Alright, it's now linked in the article. -- Booyah boy

Morrowind/Bloodmoon, annoying thing.[edit]

I can ask a question here right? If not then sorry...

While playing Morrowind, sometimes my map, spells, or inventory will go all glitchy and they will be distorted and all different colors. But recently it's gotten worse; after I finished the main quest, I went to do the main quest in the Bloodmoon expansion. After about 1 - 2 hours it started snowing. Now, it's done that several times before, but this time, it looked like each snowflake was crossed out by several thick black lines. I couldn't see much, so I saved and quit, then loaded my save game again. Now, it is similar to what I told you before, along with the black lines on the snow/blizzards, it also distorts your inventory, map, and your spells are all glitchy and funny colors. After restarting my computer, I reloaded another save game and it was fine, for about 45 minutes... Same thing started all over again. Sometimes it snows or there is a blizzard and it's fine, then when I walk into a house, or it loads into another area, the second it's done, there are the black lines again. It's been getting worse and worse and I don't know what to do about it. Could you help me? Like email me or something like that?

Thanks in advance if you respond,

Mr. Mage (

I've never seen anything like that before. I recommend that you visit the Official Forums, and ask their technical support group what you asked me. Good luck :) --Aristeo 05:01, 3 August 2006 (EDT)

Glitches Page[edit]

Hmmm, it just took me three full hours to deal with one comment from the glitches page (added to Spell Making)... at this rate, it might take a LONG time to clean up the glitches page. OK, in reality, I intentionally chose a comment that required a fair bit of research (I'd always wondered exactly how those spell level requirements are done). I'll try to followup on some more later, but for now I'm going back to tweaking the magical effects pages (before I lose all the notes I collected!) --Nephele 00:21, 10 August 2006 (EDT)

Sigilum Sanguis[edit]

Please remind me why the Sigilum Sanguis page shouldn't be deleted as an unused redirect which isn't in a namespace? Or just delete it. Thanks --Actreal 08:25, 15 August 2006 (EDT)

It was marked for deletion, but I felt it would be better off as a redirect. That way, instead of having to type out "Oblivion:Sigillum Sanguis", they can just type in "Sigilum Sanguis". Redirects for deletion have been an arena for debate between mainly Nephele, Garrett, and I, so I can't exactly give you a straight answer on what we should do with that article. For now, since it's not hurting anything and since it's been used approximately 100 times, we probably should just leave it. --Aristeo 16:46, 15 August 2006 (EDT)
What the heck, I'll go ahead and delete it. It can always be undeleted.. --Aristeo 17:14, 15 August 2006 (EDT)
To me, Sigilum Sanguis seems like a fairly obscure topic that doesn't really merit a high-level redirect. If someone can actually get the spelling correct, they can probably figure out that's in the Oblivion namespace, too. So I think deletion was appropriate. And Aristeo, yes, I noticed your hint about that last to-be-deleted page... for a few minutes at least the category is nice and empty. --Nephele 17:48, 15 August 2006 (EDT)

Morrowind Books[edit]

[Moved discussion to the admin noticeboard]

Just discovered that most of the Morrowind books are duplicated in both the Morrowind: and Tamriel:Books/ namespaces. Now, I'm not going to go adding Delete tags to every single one of them, but if you or one of the other admins could take a look at this and get rid of all the redundancy it would help out. I have already changed the links on the Morrowind:Books and Morrowind:Faction Books pages, not sure how many more of them there are. But as many of these pages as there are, I think it would probably be good to get rid of them, as that's a pretty large quantity of unnecessary duplication. --TheRealLurlock 00:18, 16 August 2006 (EDT)

1) It might be worth to compare the Tamriel and the Morrowind books together to see which is worth keeping and which is worth deleting. 2) I'm going to sleep after this edit, so Nephele is probably going to be the deletionist.--Aristeo 00:32, 16 August 2006 (EDT)
Yeah, I was going to suggest Nephele, but then I remembered she doesn't have Morrowind, so she can't look this stuff up as easily. And the other admins haven't been really active lately. Anyhow, if there's any way I can help, let me know. --TheRealLurlock 09:35, 16 August 2006 (EDT)
Actually, it probably would be useful if you went through the duplicated books, and put a delete tag on whichever copy you think needs deleting. That would definitely make it easier for me to find them (and, by the way, I do now own Morrowind... I just haven't done much other than install it so far). Depending on how extensive the edit histories are, I might be inclined to do some delete/restores that allow the two pages to be merged, instead of actually deleting the pages. (Gives me an excuse to try out some of those fancy admin features I've read about!) But I can judge that better once I see which books are on the list. --Nephele 12:41, 16 August 2006 (EDT)
oooOOOooo... A merge :D That's exactly what the pages need! We really don't have a very good way to propose merges, (or deletions for that matter, but that's another story) so I still recommend marking the articles for deletion with the delete tag. Nephele, just be careful with the merges, because they're a pain to undo if something is messed up. --Aristeo 12:58, 16 August 2006 (EDT)
I doubt the page histories will be much of an issue in this case, because we're talking about the books, which are pretty much the text copied verbatim from the game, no interpretation or added content by the editors, nothing controversial or potentially incorrect about them, so there's not likely to be more than an edit or two per page, and most of them will be minor typo and formatting corrections, nothing important worth archiving. (Also, it's been my practice when seeing typos in the text of a book to leave them in as written. If the typo appears in-game, it may be intentional, so it's not for us to correct it.) I may go through and find all the Morrowind books to label them for deletion/merging, but you should now be able to find most of them just by looking at the Orphaned Pages list, since I changed the two main pages that linked to them. (Some may be individually linked from various other pages, so that may be harder to track down.) --TheRealLurlock 17:48, 16 August 2006 (EDT)
Okay, you should be able to find them on Orphaned Pages, but you can't. Or at least, I already marked the only 2 you can find. Anybody else have a clue where they may be linked from? --17:56, 16 August 2006 (EDT)
I've taken care of the ones that had been marked for deletion. I opted to give preference to whichever version had been created first, and deleted the more recently-created page. In other words, I didn't always delete the specific page that had been tagged, but the final result should match what you wanted.--Nephele 19:22, 16 August 2006 (EDT)
On the topic of books, might I inquire why there exist article pages for both the book's contents and a description article as seems rather superfluous to me. After all, take the following:
Tamriel:Children of the Sky: The book.
Tamriel:Children of the Sky/Description: The description; which reads "Description of the Nords.".
See my point?
Might I suggest - if it is not against the better interests of the site - that these "Description" pages be appended to the "Book-Content" page. Simply adding such under the heading of "Description" at the top or bottom of the page, then listing a brief analysis of the contents, would surely be more appropriate to the circumstances than this...
Oh, and ere anyone says "because we need it for this chart, I'd ask: why? Surely a new table can be designed that does not require such redundant topics. -- Booyah boy 14:23, 16 August 2006 (EDT)
If the /Desc pages are being used in multiple places, then it's no longer redundant; instead it allows various links in different places to be consistent, and makes it easier for editors to set up links to the books. At the moment, the /Desc pages are being on all the Tamriel:Books pages, and also on the Oblivion:Books page. Admittedly, though, it's not being implemented all that well at the moment. The Morrowind:Books page isn't using the descriptions; this probably needs to be fixed at some point. So many of the /Desc pages are missing that pages like Oblivion:Books end up filled with ugly red links. Finally, the naming is somewhat inconsistent: non-book pages use /Description instead of /Desc for the subpages (e.g., on Oblivion:Places... hopefully this inconsistency isn't completely my fault). But I think these problems will slowly get resolved, and so it's better to work on improving the system than scrapping it altogether. --Nephele 14:45, 16 August 2006 (EDT)
I agree whole-heartedly with you, Nephele, and apologize, for obviously my comments were poorly short, I am not advocating that the pages be "scrapped", rather, that they be implemented more appropriately.
My primary reason for bringing this forward is thus: due to the sheer number of book-description pages, they appear quite often when clicking the "Random page" link; apart from containing little content (due to their nature), they would - most likely - act as something of a deterrent to future purusal of the wiki by outside parties. Might there be some means by which you - the administrators - can limit the access to these pages, or, at least, prohibit them from appearing when hitting the "Random page" link? -- Booyah boy 15:10, 16 August 2006 (EDT)
Good point. I don't use Random page too often, so I hadn't thought about that before. But probably the Random page should be set up to not use any subpages like these, and perhaps also get it to skip stubs and any page less than some meaningful length. The only problem is that this requires even higher-level access than admins have... Daveh is the only one who can implement any changes. I'll add a suggestion to his talk page, but since he's already got a sizeable to-do list, there are no guarantees he'll be able to get to it soon. --Nephele 15:05, 16 August 2006 (EDT)
The random page feature was made so that people might find themselves on a stub that doesn't have much attention, and could increase upon it. It's not really a serious feature, it's just a "for fun" kind of thing that some editors might like to use to find a page or group of pages that they would have otherwise not have heard of. --Aristeo 17:53, 16 August 2006 (EDT)
That sounds great, Nepehele. Thank you for resolving this issue on my behalf. Hopefully Daveh will find the time to get to it sometime soon...for now, I'll leave this topic alone, lest something remains to be said on it's original premise (Morrowind books, that is). -- Booyah boy 15:10, 16 August 2006 (EDT)

Oblivion Map[edit]

Heya Aristeo, this is TheSpectator from OblivioWiki. I was just perusing through UESP's new searchable Oblivion map and I think it's great. Nice job to all who contributed (and still are contributing) to it. Would you mind if we externally linked to it on our Maps page? TheSpectator 17:19, 17 August 2006 (EDT)

Hey, it's probably more Daveh's call, since he created most of the map and owns the site. I'll talk to him about it when he logs into IRC, or you can ask him yourself on his talk page. --Aristeo 17:36, 17 August 2006 (EDT)
Alright. I'm headin' to your IRC now as I want to discuss the whole license/copyright issue as well. TheSpectator 18:57, 17 August 2006 (EDT)

Still haven't seen Daveh pop up in there for a while now. :/ --Aristeo 22:32, 19 August 2006 (EDT)

He just popped in if you want to say hi to him --Aristeo 16:29, 20 August 2006 (EDT)


The discussion page for the Thieve's Den official plug-in has talk of downloading mods from Torrent. I didn't know how well you put up with this kind of thing, but it should be easy to tell know posted the comments from the history.

Sorry I didn’t add a direct link, it wouldn’t copy and paste.

Thanks for point this out. I just deleted and protected the page for now, and I'll deal with the two mischief makers momentarily. --Aristeo 21:43, 18 August 2006 (EDT)


I think were not aloud to copy and paste but, the whole Dagoth Ur page was copied from the real Wikipedia Dagoth Ur Page, But If Im wrong then sorry for bothering you --Delrok 17:08, 21 August 2006 (EDT)

It wasn't me this time! :D --Ys 17:16, 21 August 2006 (EDT)

I know--Delrok 17:18, 21 August 2006 (EDT)

Thanks, it all should be taken care of :) --Aristeo 17:46, 21 August 2006 (EDT)

User reviews[edit]

I was wondering, could I add a user reviews section?––Ys 21:58, 21 August 2006 (EDT)

There already is one at Oblivion:Review_Page --Nephele 22:05, 21 August 2006 (EDT)
There should be one for morrowind--Delrok 09:36, 23 August 2006 (EDT)
Then feel free to make one. :) --Aristeo 09:42, 23 August 2006 (EDT)
Okay should I include bloodmoon and tribunal in with the morrowind review or make seperate reviews?--Delrok 10:20, 23 August 2006 (EDT)
My opinion is to merge them all together, but you may want to get a couple different opinions. --Aristeo 10:45, 23 August 2006 (EDT)
sure--Delrok 10:56, 23 August 2006 (EDT)
To be frank, I do not support the addition of "user reviews" to the site (as, in greater part, reviews contain first-person commentary and are based on opinions, thus having no place in an encyclopedic setting), however, that much aside, I too would suggest that Morrowind, Tribunal, and Bloodmoon reivews all be merged into a single article. -- Booyah boy 18:51, 26 August 2006 (EDT)
I don't have a strong dislike for it, because it's well our of the way. As I said on the review page's talk page, it would make a better forum thread. It's mainly for the benefit of the editors here, not for the readers, but I don't see any cons about the page.
Indeed, it is a rather obscure and rarely visited portion of the site (at least, in light of the page-hits other articles recieve), however, as you said "it would make a better forum thread." Understand, it is not that I see the inclusion of reviews on this site as a "con" (necessarily), rather, that said inclusion (in my eyes) engenders an atmosphere of the usual "gaming site" (read: GameSpot, GameFAQs, etcetera), lending itself poorly to an encyclopedia of the Elder Scrolls short, it seems...improper.
-- Booyah boy 20:04, 26 August 2006 (EDT)

Another for your Cookie Jar[edit]

Cookie from Booyah Boy, moved to Cookie Jar

Thanks for the cookie, and for the kind words you offered with it. :) --Aristeo 19:08, 26 August 2006 (EDT)
You are quite welcome... -- Booyah boy 20:04, 26 August 2006 (EDT)

Editing Other People's User Pages[edit]

Reverting vandalism edits? Fine. Editing to avoid offending your simplistic idea of what qualifies as "profanity"? Not okay. Next time, leave it be. --Wrye 13:25, 31 August 2006 (EDT)

Because our readers tend to be quite young compared to other communities, it has been an unwritten rule that profanity should not be used on pages unless the exclusion of these words would make the guide less informative or accurate. (I believe Wikipedia has a similar guideline.) There hasn't been any sort of consensus on this rule, the rule has just been upheld by the conduct of new and experienced users that come onto the site. If you feel that there should be some kind of consensus for this, then feel free to ask everyone what they think.
To be honest, I believe you should reconsider your entire userpage. Your user page serves only as an advertisement to the mods that you are developing, and users should avoid adding substantial content to their userpage that is unrelated to our project. According to your criticism of Halo112358's user page, you stated you "think that [a] user page should say a little bit about you and then talk about you as a 'UESP Wikipedian'." In the words of Halo112358, you should follow your own standards. [1]
For future consideration, it would help you get your point across if you remained civil with your claims. Asking people not to edit your user page without talking to you on your talk page is perfectly understandable, but demanding that they "leave things be" is considered to be rude. Attacking users tends to anger them, and can also lead to a general bad feeling. Please try to remain civil with your comments.
--Aristeo 14:21, 31 August 2006 (EDT)
Since I was asked to pick up this hot potato, here are my two cents :)
Basically, I agree with most of what both Wrye and Aristeo are saying.
A user's page is theirs, to decide what to include and what not. There are limits (this isn't MySpace), but as long as content is semi-UESP related and not excessively long, I think users should get to do what they want. On the other hand, other editors have occasionally made minor edits to user pages. I don't personally have any objections to other editors making changes to my page, as long as the the changes don't fundamentally change the content of the page. I do realize that people's opinions about edits of their user page do differ, and the owner of the page should be the one to decide what happens with their page.
On the other hand, this is a wiki about games, and therefore does have a relatively young audience. It is very conceivable that readers have content blockers or other controls set up by their parents: including gratuitous profanities increases the chances of UESP being blocked from our readership. Other than when quoting from the games, I can't think of too many cases where offensive content needs to included on UESP. And generally it is the readers, rather than the writer, who determine what is offensive content.
In order to find a compromise here, my suggestions would be:
  • Wrye, if you feel so strongly about people editing your user page, you should state that on your user page. Then other editors would know your opinion on the matter, and would refrain from doing anything other than reverting vandalism.
  • In this particular case, 'damn' does seem completely gratuitous. It's not even in a sentence; it's just demonstrating what a bullet looks like in a table. While it's not a word that I personally consider offensive, I know that to many people it is and therefore it isn't really appropriate on UESP. Furthermore, I can't see that changing it to 'darn' has any downside. I would vote in favour of such a change being made.
So, Wrye, any chance of convincing you to make this one change for the sake of general wiki peace, and thereafter everyone will refrain from editing your page? --Nephele 17:24, 31 August 2006 (EDT)

When you choose to use profanity, not only is there a possibility that you may offend someone, but it reflects upon your reputation and integrity. For example, you wouldn't use profanity in a job interview, not because you may offend your employer, but because it reflects poorly on you. I humbly ask that you replace the word "damn" on your page with something else, and that we put this minor thing behind us so that we can continue to work together on our project. --Aristeo 18:51, 31 August 2006 (EDT)

First Point: You should not edit other people's user pages. Aristeo had the option of dropping me a message. He didn't. While I've offered criticisms of other people's users pages before, those criticisms were on their talk page -- i.e., I certainly didn't make the change myself. Had the offense been large enough, yeah I would have -- but that would have had to be near vandalism level and I would have called in other people for discussion. Again, Aristeo did not.

Second point: the level of profanity of "damn". So, you think "damn" is too much for people going through a site dedicated to ES games? Let's do a quick text search of Oblivion:

  • "You're a good man. We could use more like you, that's for damned sure..."
  • "The first Arena Blademaster. Best damned warrior that ever lived..."
  • "Damn straight. I can only treat myself while feeling flush."
  • "We lost the damned city, that's what happened! ..."

And let's not forget the level of bawdiness and general sexual innuendo present in the other games of the series -- games which are also very much a part of this site. E.g., Daggerfall:Rude Song. And one can hardly avoid the fact that even the "cleaned up" Oblivion rewards behavior that is "evil" by most standards -- or did the whole assassins guild thing slip your mind?? And perhaps the necrophiliac Alchemist? That stuff is hardly subtle.

So, get a grip, the ES scrolls games are a set of games with mature content. Sure, there can be reasonable limits on this site (e.g., I've asked people not to directly link to images of armor that exposed genitalia and nipples), but asking people not to say "damn" on their own user page is just ludicrous.

If your whitewashed morals find even the mild profanity of "damn" to be too much, then frankly, it's hypocritical to be an active member of a site dedicated to a series of games which go so far beyond that mild epithet in both sex and violence. --Wrye 23:52, 31 August 2006 (EDT)

In my defense, I didn't think the small edit would be controversial. Because you weren't fully active on UESP, because we have (again, to my knowledge) an unwritten "no profanity" rule on the wiki, and because I thought the edit would be completely uncontroversial, I went ahead and quickly did it myself in attempt to save you from any embarrassment. Obviously, you strongly opposed to edit. First, you reverted your page to personally attack me [2], and then simply reverted to what you had before. After you posted your message on my talk page, I immediately looked for for a mediator, Nephele, to help settle the argument by giving a third opinion. [3] I did not reinstate my edit, because it was obviously contested. Up until now, I have been trying to come to a diplomatic agreement with you, which is something you do not seem to be interested in.
Now the argument seems to be whether or not profanity should be allowed on UESP, and if so, to what degree. If you can keep calm and stay civil during the discussion, you are more than welcome to give your opinion on the matter. Keep in mind that you may or may not have to change your user page depending on what the consensus results to. (I predict that Daveh will have to be called in to make the final call, but that's neither here nor there.) I look forward to your future contributions to our project, Wrye, and if you need anything, feel free to let me know. --Aristeo 10:41, 1 September 2006 (EDT)
So, you're playing the "offended victim" card? Why am I not surprised? And as an example of lack of civility, you draw attention to a "personal attack" which I immediately overwrote? That's like complaining that the fire is too hot and then throwing another log on! (And of course you're interpreting a "don't do that again" warning as a "personal attack".)
If you had truly wanted to cool things down you would have apologized for editing my user page. Something simple like "Wrye, I apologize for editing your web page. I should have asked you first, but I didn't. My bad." That would do it. That wouldn't have changed the points of the discussion, but it would have at least removed the heat from my end.
Rather than wade off into larger issues (e.g., "whether or not and to what degree profanity is allowed at UESP"), let's stay focused on this particular incident. Dealing with that larger issue will require a lot more time and discussion then most of us want to spend. And it seems to me that that your objection to "damn" on a user page is so patently ludicrous (for the reasons given above), that the issue should be able to be put to rest relatively easily. Of course, I could be wrong about that, and perhaps we'll end up being dragged into a longer discussion by the time this is over. --Wrye 14:29, 1 September 2006 (EDT)

Help with Morrowind:Places Pics[edit]

I've been moving some stuff around on the Morrowind:Places page, and I've realized that it really needs some pictures. You've made quite a few tomb maps on the main quest page, and they look very good. If you have any time to make a few more, the ancestral tombs and daedric shrines could really use your help. I don't have the game for the computer and you're the one I know of that's made any maps for morrowind, so you're the first person I've asked. If you know of anyone else who makes decent maps, please give me the name, and I'll pass on the word. — Unsigned comment by Werdnanoslen (talkcontribs)

Daveh is the one who made the pictures I uploaded, I just took them from the old site. --Aristeo 14:32, 27 August 2006 (EDT)
Ok, I'll ask him.


Hello, I've been trying to Google all over to find HELP... your site has been fantastic and helped so much. I am however having such difficulty in building up my fame. and for the life of me I can NOT figure out how to mix spells to conjure (sorry bout spelling) anything. i feel like I'm not going to get the full fun out of the game because i cant do the spell things. can u please help me on these topics, and help me to learn to gain my alchemy levels and all the others. thank you... --Robin Stoute

i look forward to your response ASAP, as we (my fiance and I are NOW ADDICTED TO THIS GAME..LOL) take care.

Oblivion:Fame_Points may help you rise your fame some. Finishing the main quest and becoming grand champion of the arena will give you around 70 points. --Aristeo 19:11, 30 August 2006 (EDT)

Editing Other People's User Pages[edit]

You're right. We shouldn't put any further energy into this discussion. I'm sorry that the edit made you upset and I'm sorry if anything I mentioned offended you, as it certainly wasn't my intention. Let's just continue to be friends, and work on continuing our progress on UESP. :) --Aristeo 15:51, 1 September 2006 (EDT)

I'm also archiving this into September so it's easier for me to concentrate on what I want to edit. --Aristeo 15:55, 1 September 2006 (EDT)
Fair enough. Thank you. Now, back to work (and play)! --Wrye 19:52, 1 September 2006 (EDT)

RSS Icon[edit]

I thought I would continue the line of esthetic suggestions I have been making of late with a further addendum: an RSS icon. I am unaware whether or not such an icon can be added, or if it is even desired, however, I have remained ignorant of the RSS feed the UESP was running due largely to the lack of any prominent dispaly of such; naturally, an icon for such would improve its visibility.

With that in mind I threw together the following icons (with a capital, lowercase, and blank caption) for your perusal, lest you should find it meet to include one: RSS Icon Sheet. Thanks for your time. -- Booyah boy 05:40, 2 September 2006 (EDT)

I'm sure we could add one, but where would we put it? --Aristeo 09:40, 2 September 2006 (EDT)
I really can't, you're the administrator, I suppose it's your call. -- Booyah boy 09:53, 2 September 2006 (EDT)
On the Recent Changes list, maybe one of the images could replace "rss" on the toolbox. We'd have to replace "atom" as well though. I also want to talk to more people before making that change. --Aristeo 10:00, 2 September 2006 (EDT)
Sounds good. Would you like me to come up with some ATOM icons? -- Booyah boy 10:01, 2 September 2006 (EDT)
Sure, that would be great. --Aristeo 10:12, 2 September 2006 (EDT)
Alright, here are some icons for you. I was unable to locate a "ATOM" specific icon (that is, one immediately associated with such), and thus was forced to use whatever struck me as appropriate. Here they are.
I made the icons in two distinct color-schemes, the basic orange (the standard for XML related icons) and an alternate blue-ish one, in fitting with the site's color motif. I could make up some others if nothing here will serve. Any thoughts?
-- Booyah boy 08:32, 3 September 2006 (EDT)

CC Icon[edit]

While I am at it, I might as well throw one more minor suggestion your way: Could you replace the current CC "Some Rights Reserved" icon (in the lower left-hand corner) with that which I am providing here.

The dominant color of this page being blue (links, many images, and even the grays in the background are a part of the blue-scale) I modified the spectrum of said icon from green-scale to blue, and added a bottom line (if you zoom in on the image, you will see a line at the top that is removed by one pixel from each side, I merely added such to the bottom as well, giving it a more well-rounded appearance). You may view the current icon and the modified one side-by-side here. Again, nothing pressing or important... -- Booyah boy 06:00, 2 September 2006 (EDT)

Sure, feel free to upload it. The image is being held at Image:Somerights.png --Aristeo 09:35, 2 September 2006 (EDT)
Great, it will be up in roughly two minutes. -- Booyah boy 09:53, 2 September 2006 (EDT)
As long as I am answering above, I'll wrap this up by stating that it's up and running...and, quite frankly, looks better than before. Thanks! -- Booyah boy 08:32, 3 September 2006 (EDT)

Privacy Policy[edit]

In conjunction with the Disclaimer, I thought I'd get a head start on writing a Privacy Policy for the site, however, I require an administrators input on certain aspects of UESP policy, and thus, would appreciate your taking a moment to respond as you may: UESPWiki talk:Privacy policy/editcopy Thanks for your time, Aristeo. -- Booyah boy 03:10, 4 September 2006 (EDT)

The rough-draft is posted in my sandbox. While I did post a link to such on the UESPWiki talk:Privacy policy/editcopy page, I'm dropping you a line herein as well to make sure you see it (Nephele is deleting a large amount of duplicated books at the moment, thus my edit may be covered in the Recent Changes list). I'm feeling a little punchy at the moment (still being rather ill, and quite exhausted), however, I believe I managed to cover the essentials in a proper manner. Kindly get back to me with your comments on the Privacy Policy talk page or my own. Thank you... -- Booyah boy 18:26, 6 September 2006 (EDT)

A Small Favor: Feedback[edit]

Hey Aristeo, I just completed posting a further suggestion on the Community Portal - specifically regarding the Tamriel:Books section - and would appreciate your feedback on such, as an administrator and my mentor. Thus, if you find yourself with a moment to spare, I'd appreciate your stopping by and chiming in on the subject. Thanks!

PostScript: Naturally, feel free to delete this at your leisure. Again, my thanks...
-- Booyah boy 09:58, 4 September 2006 (EDT)

I just gave you my feedback, but it may or may not be exactly what you want to see. --Aristeo 14:19, 4 September 2006 (EDT)
Any feedback whatsoever is what I was looking for, thus, thank you for responding. I too have since responded to the points raised both by you and TheRealLurlock, and would appreciate your stopping by once more.
Secondly, have you been able to make any progress on answering my queries regarding the Privacy Policy?
-- Booyah boy 02:51, 5 September 2006 (EDT)
Yep, just did! You caught me in the middle of looking over your draft. --Aristeo 19:55, 6 September 2006 (EDT)

Featured Article Icon Conflict[edit]

Just wanted to bring to your attention the fact that the text string in the upper-right hand corner of the page ("Please join us in our chatroom to discuss the site, the Elder Scrolls, or anything else you want to bring up") conflicts with the "featured article" template (covers the star). Check General:Fishy Stick article to see what I mean. -- Booyah boy 09:08, 8 September 2006 (EDT)

Should be fixed now. --Aristeo 10:07, 8 September 2006 (EDT)

UESP Forums[edit]

Good day Aristeo, I'm dropping you a line to inform you of some rather objectionable content being posted at the forums - as you are a moderator therein - at the following pages. Removed and removed.

Also, while you're at it, I'd also like to give you a heads up to the message I posted therein as regards the forum descriptors: here. It seems to have double-posted, thus, feel free to delete either if it be in your power to do so. Thanks.

It should all be taken care of now. --Aristeo 10:11, 13 September 2006 (EDT)
Great, thank you for the prompt reply and swift action. -- Booyah boy 10:14, 13 September 2006 (EDT)

Question of Credit[edit]

The Arena:Items page begins with the following text:
"The following is an excellent item list originally created by Monte Bascom and currently contains close to 2200 items."
As I will be taking some time this week to work on wikifying the Arena section (having finished the War Axes section a moment ago), I had planned on redoing said page, but am somewhat stymied as to crediting Mr. Bascom with the original list's creation. You see, I plan to extend the list of items as much as possible (and, considering the game, this could amount to the inclusion of several hundred items) and - certainly - others will do so at a later point in time; thus, I wonder if it is truly appropriate in a wiki setting to credit the "original" list creator.

Quite apart from the fact that, soon, his work will no longer resemble its original format, nor will it consist solely of such, there is also the matter of the UESP's license (that is, the inclusion of his work herein constitutes a heading under the A-SA License and a right to modification, alteration, or removal by any other editor). Furthermore, the fact that no other editor is credited on the article page itself leads me to believe that the mention of a proper name for a man who - despite the breadth of his contribution - did no more than any other editor in compiling and submitting data is, somehow, wrong.

Might I ask for your thoughts on the matter, both as an administrator and one who has been here much longer than myself. -- Booyah boy 11:32, 13 September 2006 (EDT)

Just remove the attribution, noting Monte Bascom and the removal of the attribution in the edit summary. --Aristeo 23:45, 13 September 2006 (EDT)
Done. Thank you for the clarification. -- Booyah boy 06:09, 15 September 2006 (EDT)

a really stupid question[edit]

i'm breking my head and i still ould not find the way i trow something... i mean... what do i have to do to throw an item... always i'm over-encumbred i must quickload because i don't know how tothrow my item away! pliz answer me fastly

I'll assume you are referring to Oblivion. You pick up an item on the PC by holding down "Z". Once you let go of "Z", you drop whatever you are carrying. If your moving while carrying something, it will take off in whatever direction you are going. The mouse has the same concept. --Aristeo 12:48, 14 September 2006 (EDT)
If you're asking about throwing an object that's hanging in front of you, Aristeo covered it. If you're asking how to drop items from your inventory (you mentioned being over encumbered), then on PC it's hold the SHIFT key and left click the item to drop it. I don't know about the Xbox 360 version. QuillanTalk 14:13, 14 September 2006 (EDT)

"Hidden" Template[edit]

I was wondering if it would be possible to have you - or any other administrator - add the Hidden template to the UESP. You can see the template set up here, or view an actual use of such in the Why doesn't this work? section on this page. I am certain it would be useful on numerous pages...not to count, it's pretty neat and I'd love to use such on my user page! -- Booyah boy 06:09, 15 September 2006 (EDT)

I thought we already set this up for the Monobook.css users a while ago. I'm not sure what's wrong with it; I'll mess with it some in the morning. --Aristeo 01:13, 17 September 2006 (EDT)

Happy Birthday![edit]

Moved cookie to cookie jar

Hehe, thanks a bunch! I'm glad someone didn't forget about it. ;) --Aristeo 01:15, 17 September 2006 (EDT)

Can't complete Quest[edit]

Alright, so I used the coc testinghall command and started to poke around. I found a Mage's staff there and it updated some quest in my journal that I hadn't yet started: the Mage's Staff quest.

Then, when I went to go speak with Raminus Polus at the Arcane University, he updated my level to journeyman but never gave me the quest for the Mage's staff. Now, every time I speak with him, he tells me to make my mage's staff but the dialogue never gives me the option to talk to him about the quest. What I mean is that I can't advance any further in the Mage's guild not matter what I try.

I went to the caves for the mission like I am supposed to do - as I had to figure out myself, but although I was attacked by necromancers, my questlog never updated, and I found Zahrasha and Elette alive...

I tried to use the setstage command to update the quest myself, and I even killed Zahrasha and Elette just so everything fit...however it still did not update the questlog and when I speak to Polus he just says the same thing....

Please tell me there is something that I can do. I don't want to be stuck and not be able to advance in the Mage's Guild.....

Drangsorian 13:19, 18 September 2006 (EDT)

If you start using console commands to artificially change the game, there is a serious risk that you will mess up the game to the point where you can't fix things. That said, though: have you actually done all of the mages guild recommendation quests? You're not supposed to receive the staff until you have completed all seven recommendation quests. Once you've done all of those, try following the rest of the steps on A Mage's Staff: in particular, go talk to Delmar instead of Raminus and see whether he will take the staff. If none of that works, go back to a save game from before you started messing with the console, and try doing the quest the normal way: things go alot more smoothly that way. --Nephele 13:34, 18 September 2006 (EDT)
You've probably screwed things up. Look in the construction set, look at what picking up the staff did to your game, and undo those commands. Good luck, and may the nine have mercy on your (character's) soul. --Aristeo 14:40, 18 September 2006 (EDT)

Hidden Template[edit]

Any luck working out the Hidden template I posted about before? It seems you archived the discussion ere any resolution was reached (see here). -- Booyah boy 21:04, 20 September 2006 (EDT)

Hehe, I guess I did. Sorry about that. I'm trying to set up the template as we speak at Template:Showhide. --Aristeo 21:26, 20 September 2006 (EDT)

I can't get it to work, and neither could Garrett. If you have any ideas on how to get this to work, please tell them to me. Otherwise, I'm going to propose this for deletion. --Aristeo 21:49, 20 September 2006 (EDT) you have both the relevant CSS and Javascript added ( included herein)? -- Booyah boy 23:46, 20 September 2006 (EDT)
Looks like I forgot a section that they added addendum. Should be working now. --Aristeo 00:00, 21 September 2006 (EDT)

Just wanted to drop you a quick note - and thanks - that it is working now. In order to function, however, you must specify the 1 and 2 references. For instance, the code to display the "Current Projects" listing on my user page is as follows:

{{showhide|1=[[User:Booyah boy/CProjects|Current Projects]]|2={{User:Booyah boy/CProjects}}}}

It's a little more of a hassle than merely writing in "hide|User:Booyah boy/CProjects" as the original was intended to work, however, I understand from reading on Wikipedia's discussion for said template that this is not an unusual recourse. Thanks again. -- Booyah boy 01:44, 22 September 2006 (EDT)

Try {{showhide|[[User:Booyah boy/CProjects|Current Projects]]|{{User:Booyah boy/CProjects}}}} without the 1= and 2=. And on a more important note, I'm glad we got it working. --Aristeo 01:50, 22 September 2006 (EDT)

Edit Count[edit]

I am sorry to pester you with another site inconsistency, however, I really must. You see, for some reason, the recent edits I have been making are not registering in my edit count. In fact, my edit count remained at 948 despite the forty or so images I uploaded and the text additions/corrections I made over the last four hours. Might I inquire if the abovenoted number is consistently reported as such on your computer as well (that is, does my edit count in the Active Users page also read 948 for you)? Moreso, do you happen to have any explanation for why this might have occurred? I thought it might be a new script instituted herein that no longer registered image uploads as edits - as they formerly did - however, I discarded that when text-based edits failed to register as well. Your aid would, as always, be much appreciated.

On a separate, though perhaps related, tangent, might this have something to do with the puzzling scenario I ran through with the image uploads (which, now, has somehow resolved itself)? -- Booyah boy 17:52, 29 September 2006 (EDT)

Not that it answers your question, but if you look at your contributions it also does not show any of those uploads. I'm guessing it may have to do with the fact that wiki doesn't count the .jpg file itself in its edit count: only the creation of the related [[Image:]] file is counted as an edit. There are a variety of image-related problems that we're having right now; I'll try to start making sense of the source code to see if I can figure out what's going on. My first priority will be the problems we're having with how images display. Not that I can promise any results... and even if I can make sense of anything, it's still up to Daveh to actually fix the problem. --Nephele 20:34, 29 September 2006 (EDT)
User:Booyah boy != User:Booyah Boy --Aristeo 21:00, 29 September 2006 (EDT)
OK, that was just a typo (which I've fixed), but the page still doesn't show any of those uploads --Nephele 21:13, 29 September 2006 (EDT)
My bad, I thought you were looking for contributions with Booyah Boy. :P --Aristeo 21:16, 29 September 2006 (EDT)
I would have been a bit suspicious if I'd come up with a list with 0 contributions. Surely you give me more credit than that :P --Nephele 21:20, 29 September 2006 (EDT)
Booyah boy, those kind of problems should go to Daveh. He's the only one with that can access the coding for the site. --Aristeo 22:19, 29 September 2006 (EDT)
Fair enough, it's nothing big and I'm certain he has more important things to do (I assure you, I can live without a large edit count)! Thank you for looking into it anyways, guys, I do appreciate that. -- Booyah boy 03:20, 30 September 2006 (EDT)

Name Change[edit]

As an administrator you would most likely have access to this information: can the name of a user account on the UESP be changed? I have worked on numerous other websites (in varying capacities), however, this is the first wiki I have ever taken part in, and thus, am still relatively unfamiliar with the underlying structure of such and the inherent limitations said structure presents.

That being said, I took some time to look it over in Wikipedia, but met with mixed results, some members stating that it is possible, whilst others denied it. Moreso, I saw many members who simply began alternate accounts with their newly desired alias; thus, again, I ask if a change of username is possible? -- Booyah boy 02:27, 1 October 2006 (EDT)

A name change would require Daveh to install an extension to the software of the wiki called Renameuser. Wikipedia has this installed, as shown here, and has a team of bureaucrats (one step above administrator, which is what Daveh is) handling the renames. Wikipedia:Changing username is the process they use, if you haven't already seen it. --Aristeo 02:35, 1 October 2006 (EDT)
My thanks, that was precisely the information I was looking for. As I would like to change my username, would you recommend I present a proposal to have said extension integrated into the UESP on the Administrator's Noticeboard or upon Daveh's talk page? -- Booyah boy 03:25, 1 October 2006 (EDT)

I understand[edit]

No problem. Great source of information, its not like I am disrespecting the work or anything. Dylnuge 15:17, 4 October 2006 (EDT)

Copyright infringement notification[edit]

I rewrote this section Oblivion:Andragil due to copyright infringement (see p 223 of The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion Official Game Guide, under the heading "Block Training"). The text had some HTML markers in it, so it looks like it was a carryover from the old site. Please review for acceptability. Thanks! --Hoggwild5 15:03, 6 October 2006 (EDT)

Re: News[edit]

One of the cool things about the new Main Page is that everyone can edit and create news, and editors without administrative status can even edit news while it's being featured on the front page. Because of this and the "no attribution" policy that we have, I'm going to take the attributions off those news articles. Also, I wanted to let you know that I made some copy editing to the latest item you posted, and I want to make sure it looks good to you. :) --Aristeo 22:51, 10 October 2006 (EDT)

When trying to find how far back the previous story was I decided it would be useful to have dates, and because it looked a little odd to have only the date I put the author names back too. I forgot about news being freely editable now, so, yes, names is a bad idea. I still think some sort of date system could be handy, but I'm not sure how to style it. The revision looks fine. :) GarrettTalk 01:11, 11 October 2006 (EDT)

Cleanup tag for Things to do when you're bored?[edit]

Aristeo, what exactly are you looking for in a cleanup Oblivion:Things To Do When You're Bored|here? I've already cleaned it up once and I can't find anything that stands out as against the style guide. I'm happy to do it once you let me know what needs doing. :) --Actreal 17:19, 15 October 2006 (EDT)

Just minor things. I'll give you a list of things that I feel should be improved:
  • The page needs a more encyclopedic and professional tone.
  • The text emphasis has been slightly overused in my opinion. I wrote some guidelines about text formatting and emphasis on the style guide that might be of use.
  • Finally, there are a few incomplete sections and sections that might not be important enough for their own heading. You could merge some of these together into a "miscellaneous ideas" section and give a bullet for each idea, while increasing upon the sections that can be increased upon.
--Aristeo 17:44, 15 October 2006 (EDT)

Reverting changes[edit]

Before reverting changes, it would be helpful if you would check to see if another editor has already fixed up the changes. Several of your recent reverts have only served to delete useful content that I added to the page. If your edit comment says "deleting first person" check to see whether or not there's actually anything in first person left on the page. --Nephele 21:38, 17 October 2006 (EDT)

While monitoring the recent changes, I thought I was looking at the most recent change to the page. Apparently I wasn't. Thanks for pointing that mistake out to me. :) --Aristeo 21:44, 17 October 2006 (EDT)
Addendum: I made it so that the "You are editing an out-of-date version of this page" message is much more noticeable, and so that the "You are editing a protected page" message doesn't link to a red link. Hopefully this will prevent others from making my same mistake. Thanks again! --Aristeo 22:33, 17 October 2006 (EDT)

Re: Thinking Outside the Box[edit]

Just wondering: Why do you want the last sentence on the new news article outside the table? To me, it looks better inside the table, but that may just be personal preference. --Aristeo 17:35, 20 October 2006 (EDT)

Personal preference is the gist of it, yeah. I thought it looked better to not have the text longer than the images were tall. Of course I could have re-floated it to fix that... GarrettTalk 04:49, 21 October 2006 (EDT)


Sorry about the chat, apparantly my IRC thing is going crazy. None of the clients are working. When I get back on, I guess we can talk some more. I'll think a bit more about the problem. --Ratwar 00:06, 23 October 2006 (EDT)

You could try our java chat client, or the one on the ChatSpike site, if necessary. --Aristeo 00:09, 23 October 2006 (EDT)
I've tried mIRC, Freddo's client, and your UESP client and none of them work, so I'm fresh out of ideas. It may be related to the outages some people experienced earlier. --Ratwar 00:13, 23 October 2006 (EDT)

talk page[edit]

hey i would like to thank you for helping me with my talk page. — Unsigned comment by Elderscrolls1122 (talkcontribs)

No problem! Let me know if you need anything else. :) --Aristeo 17:15, 24 October 2006 (EDT)

Hi again[edit]

I hope this is the right place, i just wanted to let you know that i fixed the stuff i thought was wrong in my guide. What do you think, did i miss anything? (i posted in my own talkpage first but i figured this is where i should let you know, lol, abit n00bish on this.. --Magnusri 21:52, 28 October 2006 (EDT)

It looks good! I'll make some adjustments to it later. --Aristeo 10:24, 30 October 2006 (EST)
Thank you! -- 12:24, 30 October 2006 (EST)

Master of Morrowind[edit]

well i just started to play Oblivion BUT i played morrowind like no other easly 10000 hours under my belt but i uderstand the games been out for a long time but if you guys need any thing let me know i think i have done ever quest and know were every item is. On another note i know alot about Oblivion i think i have done every quest a few times each. I will write what ever ya need. drop me a line at thats alost my MSN msg.

Neat! You may want to talk to DrPhoton, since he's the main guy working on the Morrowind section. --Aristeo 10:27, 30 October 2006 (EST)

Just a note...[edit]

We're missing you on the IRC! --Hoggwild5 00:17, 31 October 2006 (EST)

Hehe, I'm sorry. I've just been busy lately irl. I should be on more :) *coughthat'swhatitelldaveallthetimecough* --Aristeo 12:27, 2 November 2006 (EST)

Account restrictions[edit]

I just looked into your suggestion that new accounts should have some restrictions placed on them. There is actually a configuration setting that causes newly created accounts to not have the privileges of registered accounts until some amount of time has passed. So adding the setting:

 $wgAutoConfirmAge = 3600*96;

would set a 96-hour waiting period; by default this parameter is set to 0.

Also, it looks like it's possible to make it so that unregistered users can not create new pages. By default there are two settings:

 $wgGroupPermissions['*'    ]['createpage']      = true;
 $wgGroupPermissions['*'    ]['createtalk']      = true;

which I understand to mean that all visitors to the site are allowed to create both regular pages and talk pages. If those lines are deleted/commented out, then only logged in users should be able to create pages.

It's not clear to me at the moment how these settings interact. It seems likely that with both of these settings enabled, a new user would not be able to even create a user page until 96 hours have passed.

These edits would need to be done by Daveh to the site's LocalSettings.php file. The questions to answer first are: how long of a waiting period do we want? Do we want to restrict all page creation for IP addresses, or do we want to allow IP addresses to still create talk pages? And if we were to enable some of these changes, there are probably modifications we should make to some of the notification screens that appear to make it clear to new users that their accounts do not yet have full privileges. --Nephele 16:43, 31 October 2006 (EST)

Changing the "Hey, you just created an account!" notification screen is pretty easy, and I did it before. As for the creation of pages, I feel that new users should be allowed to create talk pages, just not regular pages. I have not seen any new talk pages created anonymously that needed to be deleted, but most if not all of the new articles created by IPs have needed to be deleted. Also, I think preventing users from making user pages right away would actually be a good idea, as it allows the ranking system to be more effective. --Aristeo 16:56, 31 October 2006 (EST)
Yep, I agree. I think preventing talk pages from being created could be more harmful than useful (it could prevent anonymous users from posting questions on the talk page, and force unwanted questions to be added to the main page). And not being able to create a new user page right away would ensure that new users show up as red names in recent changes for the first few days (and might also discourage some of the new users whose main interest for the first week seems to be in setting up their user page). --Nephele 17:01, 31 October 2006 (EST)
It would also be nice if there were some way to make it so that drastic edits of existing pages (the most common being page-blanks, like the rascal we saw here this morning) are not possible for new or IP accounts. Wikipedia has filters to prevent new or anonymous editors from just coming in and blanking pages. I think if we're going to allow these anonymous editors, we should have some sort of similar protection in place. (Especially since there's currently only 2 active admins with the power to block them.) Page blanking (except within one's one user space, such as your sandboxes) is almost never acceptable behavior on this site, (if you want to delete a page, there are several legitimate channels to do so - blanking is not the answer) so I think it would be reasonable to suggest that blanking a page might be disallowed for everyone, but particularly new accounts and IP editors, as they're the most likely to just be here to cause trouble. --TheRealLurlock 17:05, 31 October 2006 (EST)
Not yet, we don't need to do anything drastic until drastic measures are necessary. Which they aren't. The problem right now is that both Nephele and I had to be inactive for a period for various reasons, and these periods conflicted each other. Having another admin may fix the problem, but imposing too many technical limitations is just asking for trouble. --Aristeo 17:10, 31 October 2006 (EST)
Okay, though in the meantime, you might consider semi-protecting those pages that would be likely targets for this type of an attack. There's almost nothing that needs to be editted anymore on all of the games' main pages. Since they're the most prominent, they're also the most prone to vandalism. Do you think it would be unreasonable to ask that Oblivion:Oblivion and the like get semi-protection? (Also, you can do that now, while a pageblank-filter would require a Daveh installation.) I don't expect that the jerk from this morning will be back, but as it is, I can't see any reason NOT to semi-protect those main pages. --TheRealLurlock 17:30, 31 October 2006 (EST)

More Protected Pages[edit]

Besides Oblivion:Oblivion, what exactly do you want semi-protected? --Aristeo 17:32, 31 October 2006 (EST)

All the main pages linked from the sidebar, I think, should be semi-protected. Maybe not Community Portal, because that might defeat the purpose of that page. But everything in the Sections box at least. They're not likely to need much changing any time soon, and leaving them open for anonymous editors makes them vulnerable. --TheRealLurlock 18:53, 31 October 2006 (EST)
I semi-protected Oblivion:Oblivion, making it the first page to be both semi-protected and protected against moves. This was an easy choice to make since it is the most viewed and most vandalized page on the wiki. I may do the same thing to Morrowind:Morrowind if it becomes a problem, but I don't see anything to worry about yet. --Aristeo 12:34, 2 November 2006 (EST)

Any news?[edit]

Hi Aristeo!

Any news on moving my guide? Best regards --Magnusri 15:33, 2 November 2006 (EST)

I'm going to copy edit the whole thing, then move it to Oblivion:End Game Optimizing. --Aristeo 20:13, 2 November 2006 (EST)
Done. --Aristeo 22:00, 2 November 2006 (EST)

The ElderTomes[edit]


You asked about my site The ElderTomes, and yes the URL sadly doesn't work at the moment (the domain is still mine, but the site host changed and I haven't got in contact with RavenSky for the new information.) You can still access it at this hyperlink. So you can update and do what you will with it. Though, I'm not quite exactly sure why you didn't ask me this over IRC! - User:Magnus - November 5, 2006 20:00 (-4:00GMT)

It seems cooler and more official like over the wiki. Thanks! --Aristeo | Talk 22:54, 5 November 2006 (EST)

Since your cookie jar was so full...[edit]

I though you might enjoy a cup of green tea on me.

Green tea moved to cookie jar. It's in a thermos, don't worry, no crumbs will infiltrate the green tea and spoil it. ;)

External Links in Sidebar[edit]

Hi, do you know how to put an external link in the navigation bar? This is for my own wiki, and the FAQ on mediawiki isn't much help for this. I'm trying to link to my forum (on another site) from my navigation bar, but I don't have my own domain for either. --WerdnanoslenTalk 17:03, 10 November 2006 (EST)

Assuming that you have administrative privileges, you will want to edit the MediaWiki:Sidebar article on the wiki. Our file shows some examples of both internal links and external links. --Aristeo | Talk 17:09, 10 November 2006 (EST)
I've just tried how the UESP has it set up, but when I use the link, it tells me --error: link target missing--. And yes, I'm an admin on my site. --WerdnanoslenTalk 18:00, 10 November 2006 (EST)
Is your site setup on Wikia? --Aristeo | Talk 18:21, 10 November 2006 (EST)
Then I recommend you go to and speak with the staff there on their help desk. I know Wikia is different technically from UESP, so you may want to speak with them instead of me. I wish I could help more. --Aristeo | Talk 19:07, 10 November 2006 (EST)
That's fine, thanks anyway. : ) --WerdnanoslenTalk 21:42, 10 November 2006 (EST)

Question on Harluns Watch[edit]

Hi i have oblivion for 360 and i am at the Harluns watch level and those bodies on the green marker never appear. I have restarted the mission several times going directly to the green marker before killing any trolls and then killing all the trolls and the bodies still do not appear so i can pass the level. Is there anything i can do? Thanks — Unsigned comment by Yamus04 (talkcontribs)

I'm not sure. Your best bet is to go to our reference desk to ask that question, or perhaps the official forums will help since it's more of a technical problem. --Aristeo | Talk 14:45, 11 November 2006 (EST)


Results, Results, Results, Results --Hoggwild5 15:54, 12 November 2006 (EST)

Oh, yea, and "this one time at band camp..."
You're on notice! --Aristeo | Talk 17:15, 12 November 2006 (EST)

Banned from the IRC[edit]

I tried to log into IRC and got a message that I have been banned. Whassup?--Hoggwild5 12:29, 14 November 2006 (EST)

Remember when I was showing you examples of how to ban usernames? It looks like I forgot to unban the example. You can come back in now. Sorry about that :| --Aristeo | Talk 13:13, 14 November 2006 (EST)

Morrowind Town Table[edit]

Hi, I noticed you've been playing with Template:Morrowind Town Table and I have to revert your changes, since it added a blank lines at the bottom of the transport section for those locations without Guild Guide or Silt Strider. What are you trying to fix? --DrPhoton 03:38, 15 November 2006 (EST)

I just had a better look at the problem and found out what you were trying to fix: the indentation of some of the transport headings. Doing some research, it looks like this problem arises from the #if function not closing the bullet list properly. Even if I type


}}[[Morrowind:Transport#Intervention Spells|Divine Intervention]]:<br>

in the template, the bullet list of Boat is not closed. Unfortunately, there seems to be no solution unless this is fixed in the php code (is there any update of the functions we can try?). --DrPhoton 04:00, 15 November 2006 (EST)

Here's an example of what's happening: It's not the #if command, it's the output that everything is producing. --Aristeo | Talk 14:03, 15 November 2006 (EST)
Well, I still think there is a problem with the #if function. The following code is equivalent to the one above
'''heading 1'''
* item 1
* item 2
* item 3

'''heading 2'''
and produces
heading 1
  • item 1
  • item 2
  • item 3
heading 2
But putting all this in an #if clause
{{#if:1|'''heading 1'''
* item 1
* item 2
* item 3

}}'''heading 2'''

heading 1

  • item 1
  • item 2
  • item 3heading 2
Any ideas? --DrPhoton 03:25, 16 November 2006 (EST)
I think the problem in that case is that the "}}" marks are hooking onto the break. Moving them up one level should fix the problem:
'''heading 1'''
* item 1
* item 2
* item 3
{{#if:1|'''heading 2'''
* item 1
* item 2
* item 3
'''heading 3'''
* item 1
* item 2
* item 3
When the contents of the if parser are included, it yields:
heading 1
  • item 1
  • item 2
  • item 3
heading 2
  • item 1
  • item 2
  • item 3
heading 3
  • item 1
  • item 2
  • item 3
When the contents of the if parser are not included, it yields:
heading 1
  • item 1
  • item 2
  • item 3
heading 3
  • item 1
  • item 2
  • item 3
I hope this works.. :) --Aristeo | Talk 13:20, 16 November 2006 (EST)

Thanks! I finally found a workaround in a different way. Check it out if you want. --DrPhoton 03:21, 17 November 2006 (EST)


According to your user page, you track all wiki edits with RSS. Gimme the feed! Or at least tell me where to get it. Thanks, Verin Sedai 21:04, 15 November 2006 (EST)

rss and atom. Enjoy! :D --Aristeo | Talk 21:10, 15 November 2006 (EST)


I can't put redirect pages on UESP. This is probably intentional, but I dunno. Is it? If they aren't disabled, why doesn't it work?Verin Sedai 20:09, 16 November 2006 (EST)

The following is how to create a redirect:
#redirect [[Oblivion:Main Quest]]
The software is picky about redirects, and they have to be made in a certain way. For more information about creating redirects, see Wikipedia's Help:Redirect page.
P.S. I deleted the "King of Worms" page for you. If you accidently create any more pages, you can propose them for speedy deletion by typing in {{speedydeletion|I accidently created this page}}. --Aristeo | Talk 20:19, 16 November 2006 (EST)

Table Heading Background[edit]

Hi, just a little suggestion, the backgorund of the headings would be nicer IMHO with this color #efefef. You can see the difference in Morrowind:House Hlaalu ;) --DrPhoton 15:02, 21 November 2006 (EST)

I can't tell with the laptop I'm using for Thanksgiving weekend. I'll talk to the others and see what they think. --Aristeo | Talk 19:11, 23 November 2006 (EST)


I saw you uploaded the fixed version of Wiki.png, but it still shows the old logo up there. I refreshed my cache, but it's still there! I suspect it has to do with the removal of the stuff about Wiki.png from MediaWiki:Common.css, but I can't be sure. -- Xbolt 00:08, 27 November 2006 (EST)

Fixed! Try reloading your cache again. --Aristeo | Talk 00:20, 27 November 2006 (EST)
Sweet! Now I can fully enjoy the new skin! -- Xbolt 18:25, 27 November 2006 (EST)
I can still see the borders of the logo image. It may be that the colors or the paterns of the backgorund don't match exactly. To fix that, I've uploaded a logo with transparent background at Image:Wiki3.png. Have a look and try it out if you like. --DrPhoton 08:44, 28 November 2006 (EST)
Transparent PNGs do not work in IE6. I believe there is a hack to fix this which I'll look into. -- DaveH 08:47, 28 November 2006 (EST)
Oh, I didn't know, IE7 doesn't have that problem. Anyway, here are some possible fixes. --DrPhoton 14:29, 28 November 2006 (EST)
And here is another one. --DrPhoton 14:36, 28 November 2006 (EST)

Morrowind:Places:Place X[edit]

Can you delete the rest of these pages please? --DrPhoton 08:56, 29 November 2006 (EST)

I put them up for proposed deletion. If Nephele gives me the thumbs up in seven days, I'll delete them. --Aristeo | Talk 19:04, 30 November 2006 (EST)

Hello user "Aristeo"[edit]

I would like to say sorry for the message you posted i love Oblivion, it rules and i will scold my daughter for being an ass and editing your pages lol. Can you tell me what is the best race to play as? I've used the 0rc, loved on EQ2 but it wasent so good on here any thoughts?

Please email me at

There's not a single "best" race. Personally, I like playing as a Bosmer female, but I'm sure a lot of people can't stand playing as a bosmer. --Aristeo | Talk 16:41, 1 December 2006 (EST)

Removal of Spoiler at Corvus Umbranox[edit]

Hi, Aristeo. Just wondering why the spoiler tags were removed over at Corvus Umbranox. Thanks. --Dylnuge(talk · edits) 22:05, 30 November 2006 (EST)

We agreed that spoiler warning tags were kind of pointless, since our whole site is like one big spoiler. --Aristeo | Talk 16:42, 1 December 2006 (EST)
Ah. As it should be, in my opinion. Like the direction that your new userpage is taking. Oh, and:

[Cookie moved to cookie jar.]

I think I still sign the commment, too, so: --Dylnuge(talk · edits) 15:44, 2 December 2006 (EST)

Thanks a bunch! :D --Aristeo | Talk 23:27, 7 December 2006 (EST)

Is there any way we can rename some images that have been uploaded?[edit]

Hey! I've uploaded some revised map images for Morrowind, and didn't use the established naming convention (shame on me). I didn't keep the images once they were uploaded, and I was wondering if there was any way we could just rename the images? Let me know if thre is -- it will save me from having to download each image from the wiki, and subsequently reuploading each image. If there is, I'll put together a listing of pages that need to be renamed. Thanks! --Hoggwild5 06:46, 4 December 2006 (EST)

No, I'm afraid there isn't. If you want to rename, you'll have to upload the image and propose the image with the old name for deletion. For the reason for deletion, type in something like "Image is has been moved to Image:Example.img in order to use established naming convention, making this image obsolete." You'll want to use the proposed deletion process outlined on the deletion policy page. Let me know in IRC or here if you need help. --Aristeo | Talk 02:44, 7 December 2006 (EST)

Possible Bloodmoon Bug - Chamber of Song[edit]

I have followed the directions in the walkthrough several times and am certain that I have mimicked the first 4 tones correctly (both per my ear and the helpful walkthrough. After I follow the tones in order, they simply repeat again and don't change.

I thought you might like to know about it in case someone else is playing the older game and hits this snag. — Unsigned comment by Slyfoxxy (talkcontribs)

Alright, I'll investigate this. Thanks! --Aristeo | Talk 02:46, 7 December 2006 (EST)

Image question[edit]

It's my understanding that screenshots of Oblivion are copyrighted by Bethesda. Does that mean that I can use screenshots from other sites because they are under the Bethesda copright? --Sir Newb de Mathenay 16:25, 13 December 2006 (EST)

Legally, I believe so. Morally, it depends. If it's just a screenshot of some guy in Oblivion, then it really doesn't matter. However, if it's apparent that the person who created the screenshot put a lot of work into making the screenshot, then I would ask that person's permission. --Aristeo | Talk 15:31, 14 December 2006 (EST)


Aristeo, did ChatSpike go out for too? - Magnus (December 16, 2006 9:26GMT -4:00)

I forgot. :) --Aristeo | Talk 13:36, 18 December 2006 (EST)

RSS feed[edit]

I'm asking everyone who has been using the RSS feed to view Recentchanges lately to consider avoiding it for the next few weeks. Unfortunately, the server seems to be having some problems with the RSS feed, which is one important factor leading to server shutdowns such as the one that happened this weekend; see UESPWiki:Community Portal#UESP server problems for more details. So if it would be possible for you to not use RSS until January, when hopefully we can figure what is really going on, I think it would help the site alot. Thank you! --Nephele 11:23, 18 December 2006 (EST)

No problem. I've been taking a little bit of a break from the wiki (not that I have any choice with the condition the server is in), so I haven't been monitoring the changes lately. Anyway, I'll keep that in mind and I await your clearance for when it is safe to use the RSS again. --Aristeo | Talk 13:36, 18 December 2006 (EST)
Thanks, Aristeo. I know you hadn't been using RSS as much lately, but there were a couple of broken connections from your IP address that appeared in the server logs on Saturday. --Nephele 10:54, 19 December 2006 (EST)

Thank you...[edit]

I wanted to drop you a quick note of thanks, Aristeo, for the message you left me so long ago. I appreciate your concern, and hope to return fully at some future time. -- Graye 12:38, 24 December 2006 (EST)


I have experiance with VB.NET 2005, including the non-visual parts (just thought I would say that, since some people can't write a line in code but consider the ability to make a screen with an OK button that does nothing "experiance"). I would be willing to help with the VB Wiki, although I do have one question. While I do see the problems that can be solved by starting anew, I do not see any problems with the MediaWiki archutecture or software. Why reinvent the wheel, when MediaWiki is fully extensable and open source, and free as well? --Dylnuge(talk · edits) 17:09, 19 January 2007 (EST)

The server I have is Windows-based. Although I can get an older version of PHP (v 4.x) to run on it, it's pretty slow, let alone the newer versions of MediaWiki won't run. When looking for wiki software in, nothing was to my liking. Therefore, I can either use something slow but functional, non-functional but moderately faster, or just make something myself / with the help of others with programming knowledge. I chose the third. --Aristeo | Talk 18:12, 19 January 2007 (EST)
Understood. I can help with ASP and ASP.NET components as well (although I am more experianced with PHP). What type of database? I have seen MySQL on a windows, I know Microsoft develops there own version of SQL (SQL Server 2005), and of course Access is a common choice as well. Perhaps this discussion should be moved to Wikiscrolls.
I'm using SQL Server 2000, since MS SQL is faster than MySQL and Access. I guess VeeBeeWiki would support any database that understands SQL queries and allows data connections. But I think your right, these sorts of discussions should be made on Wikiscrolls. --Aristeo | Talk 19:16, 19 January 2007 (EST)

Morrowind Crimson Plague[edit]

Hey can you Please Help me..On The Crimson Plague Quest When i return From giving The First Cure Disease Potion Those Rats Appear..When i killed All Of Them (7) And Talked With Nerile She was saying "Dont just Stand There! Get Rid Of Them"..I thought Mayby I could Do something On The Construction set But I Tried A Few Things and gave Up..Do you Know How I Could Fix This Problem?. My Game Versions are all up to date.009swat 18:34, 3 February 2007 (EST)

You'll have to perform some console commands to get that to work. I don't remember which ones, though. --Aristeo | Talk 15:06, 7 February 2007 (EST)

Warning boxes[edit]

I was thinking of adapting your warning system for more general use, for example by setting up a comparable page at UESPWiki:Warnings. The new page would be more widely advertised, and would be available to the general community for input on the format used for warning messages. Do you have any concerns about or objections to the idea? Would you prefer that I create a new page and copy your existing content? Or would you prefer that I move your Warning page (and all its subpages) over to the UESPWiki space? Thanks! --Nephele 00:00, 9 February 2007 (EST)

That would be pretty neat; I'm flattered that you like the warning system idea. :) --Aristeo | Talk 00:21, 9 February 2007 (EST)

Your Decision[edit]

I regret that you feel that it is necessary to separate yourself from UESP. While it is ultimately your call as to whether or not you wish to retain administrative priviledges, looking over the history of what has happened over the last few months makes me wonder what would be the most prudent course of action, both for you as a member of this community, and for the site itself.

All of the contentious events that have happened over the last four months have one common feature: they have in some way involved administrative actions that you have chosen to make. Also, looking over your contributions going back even further in time it is noticeable that you have taken on very few projects involving adding to or editing content pages (e.g., not UESPWiki pages, but pages on the games themselves). Your commitment to trying to improve the site through the many tasks you have tackled (creating a new skin, adding help pages and UESPWiki policy pages, improving page layout, just to name a few) has definitely been admirable and very much appreciated by the community. But I can't help but wonder whether it's possible that by focussing so exclusively on high-level (and inherently more contentious) issues you have become somewhat disconnected from what fundamentally ties this community together: the interest in creating articles describing the Elder Scrolls games. From my perspective, you seem to be experiencing many of the symptoms of Adminitis; although that article is partially intended to be humorous, there is some very valid underlying truth to the problems that it describes.

These lines of thought have led me to infer that your high level of commitment with administrative issues at UESP has perhaps contributed to some of your stress, and that of late your administrative decisions have more often than not increased the level of tension. Therefore, I'm not sure that continuing maintain administrative powers will help you or will help the site. Especially with three active admins now (assuming that Lurlock's adminship will be official in any day), the site does not have an urgent need for an extra admin. And I think it would be much more helpful for you to not have the constant invitation to worry about the site's well-being at an administrative level. If you are not actually planning to use your administrative powers, then giving them up will have no impact; having them "just in case of an emergency" will only force you to continue to pay attention to the most stressful aspect of the site. I suspect that approaching the site from an editor's perspective and focussing on the site's content would be much less stressful. I would welcome any contributions you would like to make to the site's content, and suspect that your experience of the community as an editor would be far more enjoyable and refreshing.

I realize that you are planning to focus on wikiscrolls and therefore suggestions to contribute to UESPWiki pages may not be too meaningful. But I think some of the advice may still be relevant no matter what project you choose to tackle in the coming months. Even on wikiscrolls, you may want to consider taking some breaks occasionally from worrying about site design and policies and instead just spending some time doing the more enjoyable tasks such as writing articles. Try not to lose touch with the activities that first caught your interest as a wiki contributor. I wish you the best of luck in whatever you choose to do. --Nephele 13:02, 13 February 2007 (EST)

You're awesome, Nephele. Thanks :) --Aristeo | Talk 12:45, 18 February 2007 (EST)


I know you recommend sending an e-mail, but I don't have access to that at school. I just wanted to hug you, because you seem like the sort of guy who needs them. Forgive me if that's inaccurate. But have a really nice day, okay?

Oh, and on your userpage, there's a half-baked sentence about apology that's a fragmented thought, and I almost want to know the rest of it... Somercy 12:54, 21 February 2007 (EST)

Thanks, I think. :) --Aristeo | Talk 03:24, 22 February 2007 (EST)


Thank you for the welcome to the wiki, Aristeo. Michael 01:20, 22 February 2007 (EST)


If you will consent to it, I think you are one of the parties involved in the argument to change Aristeo's status from being an administration. I feel that we should solve this through an Arbitration outlined here. The goal of the arbitration will be to decide if Aristeo has overstepped his bounds as an administrator or acted in such a way that removing those responsibilities is justified. I have already said, I would be willing to act as the arbitrator.

Preliminary Injunctions[edit]


  • None


  • Don't Respond to Aristeo's comments on any page


  • No editing Policy Pages
  • No blocking besides pure vandalism
  • No responding to Wrye's comments on any page

--Ratwar 21:40, 25 February 2007 (EST)

I assume this will not be the arbitration case that will determine whether Wrye is out of line or not, so I'll make sure I keep that in mind in my statement unless you tell me otherwise.
I agree to the terms outlined in this arbitration case and I agree to be bound by your final decision. --Aristeo | Talk 23:48, 25 February 2007 (EST)


Stop hand.png Please do not use personal attacks during discussing on the UESPWiki, as you did on during the UESPWiki:Community_Portal#Protection_policy_confliction. If you continue to abuse your editing privileges, this IP address will be blocked from editing. Please consider using less derisive methods when discussing policy on the UESPWiki.--Ratwar 00:20, 16 April 2007 (EDT)

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My appreciation[edit]

The talk-page branding is still somewhat excessive, but I highly appreciate your efforts to move towards a mutual forgive and forget relationship by secluding your warning against me. I believe these efforts will help provide a more friendly environment, which well help in the long-term with creating a more successful encyclopedia. — Aristeo 18:26, 26 March 2008 (EDT)


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Your dedication and diligence to the wiki has not gone unnoticed. A user has seen the progress you've made, and has given you a cookie because of it. Good work! The user had the following to say: 13:56, 11 November 2008 (EST)


hi. this isnt spam. a message you sent to a certain mother over facebook never arrive. the child has access to mothers account. too bad. message deleted. gabe knows now. be smarter next time.