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Skyrim talk:Dengeir of Stuhn

Notes inaccurate?Edit

In my game (on PS3), I completed the Civil War timeline in favor of the Imperials. Dengeir is no longer jarl, but he still offers his quests to me. Anyone else with this experience? Cappo 21:31, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Yes. I also completed the questline in favor of the Empire, yet was still able to get both quests from Dengeir. Playing PC version. --Xyzzy 03:46, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
Same here. Changing the note on the page. --JRTalk E-mail 10:36, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

No quests.Edit

I have not started the civil war quest yet but dengeir will not give me quests, the only dialogue choice is to ask him about the time he was a jarl, is there a solution to this? 217.137.157.197 23:13, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

moving to windhelm.Edit

I finished the civil war siding with the imperials and now dengeir is living in windhelm at the Inn with tekla he won't talk to me so i can't get the quest he offers and telka just says something like don't hurt me, is this a glitch? John142 04:20, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Not a glitch. He's mad at you. You can't get the quest from him anymore. --Morrolan (talk) 02:38, 15 April 2013 (GMT)

Where Does He Go?Edit

If the Empire retakes Falkreath Hold, Dengeir will be exiled to where? — Unsigned comment by 121.219.154.194 (talk) at 08:19 on 20 December 2012‎

Hi. I believe that the Empire cannot retake the Hold, but either keep it or lose it. Although Falkreath Hold is initially aligned with the Empire, Dengeir is opposed to it. According to the above post, he apparently goes to Windhelm after the war if the Imperials prevail. --JR (talk) 14:40, 20 December 2012 (GMT)
Incorrect. Falkreath Hold can be given to the Stormcloaks during Season Unending (which I did in one of my playthroughs, and most probably what the Anon did as well). Dengeir will then take over Siddgeir as jarl. If you side with the Imperials, you will have to retake Falkreath back. Once retaken, Jarl Dengeir will be exiled to Candlehearth Hall, along with Tekla. ~ Psylocke 15:05, 20 December 2012 (GMT)
Ah. Psylocke, do you have the time or inclination to review what I just did to the page? I mean at least for glaring mistakes like getting something major like the above wrong? I didn't do any research, but just tried to work with the writing style. --JR (talk) 15:19, 20 December 2012 (GMT)
My experience here is that Dengeir is not mad at you if you side with the Imperials and Falkreath just stays under Imperial control the whole time. He only goes to Windhelm as an exiled jarl if he first becomes a jarl, which is only possible via Season Unending in this scenario. Then when you reconquer Falkreath for the Legion he gets angry with you, like the other jarls in Palace of the Kings (not Candlehearth Hall as another poster indicated). I don't think he'll give out quests either if he is jarl, whether that's because of Season Unending or Rescue from Fort Neugrad. --Morrolan (talk) 02:43, 15 April 2013 (GMT)
From what I see on the Civil War page, there is no related battle to free Falkreath from Stormcloak control, so Dengeir will automatically be sent to Windhelm only when you give Falkreath to the Stormcloaks, then win the Civil War for the Legion. I added a sentence to the article stating such. If I missed something, someone feel free to correct me. --Xyzzy Talk 01:00, 9 August 2013 (GMT)

Liberation of Falkreath HoldEdit

The only quest in Skyrim:Liberation of Skyrim that I see associated with Falkreath is Skyrim:Rescue from Fort Neugrad, and I don't think it actually "liberates" Falkreath Hold, resulting in a change in jarl. Is the paragraph in the article correct as-is, or does it need correcting? --Xyzzy Talk 02:35, 13 August 2013 (GMT)

The objective you get is to "Liberate <hold>" whenever you finish the Battle of Whiterun for the Stormcloaks, just like Imperials get the objective "Retake <hold>". It does indeed liberate the hold (from Imperial rule) and results not only in a new government for the hold but also the Falkreath guard being replaced by Stormcloak guards. It's correct as is, as far as I can see. Vicano (talk) 09:44, 13 August 2013 (GMT)
But Liberate implies that it was held by the stormcloaks at once point and then taken by the legion. Then, after retaking it for the stormcloaks, it would (by the stormcloaks) be called liberation. I can see no evidence of this at all. All I can see is that the imperials held it the entire time, and the stormcloaks took the hold. No liberation there. Jeancey (talk) 09:51, 13 August 2013 (GMT)
Dengeir was Jarl before and was, it seems, deposed because he supported the Stormcloaks. So the Stormcloaks had held it before. But I think the quest objective for the quest "CW" is more important than the dictionary definition of liberation. The Americans never held the USA before the British colonised it, but people still consider them to have liberated it from British rule. Vicano (talk) 09:56, 13 August 2013 (GMT)
We seem to be getting a bit off-track. It appears that Vicano is stating that completing Skyrim:Rescue from Fort Neugrad causes Siddgeir to be deposed and Dengeir to replace him as jarl. Can others verify this, as this is the crux of my question? The related quest page does not state this. --Xyzzy Talk 00:22, 14 August 2013 (GMT)
He does. The same happens when you take over any fort as part of a CW mission (save for Windhelm and Solitude, Ulfric is only killed and replaced when you take Windhelm itself and Elisif is never replaced) the current Jarl is deposed and a new one ascends, or if you gave that hold away in Season Unending, the old one returns from exile. I'd imagine it's not noted on the page itself because of that, it's not specific to Rescue from Fort Neugrad, so it's not that notable. In the same way we don't document NPCs sending hired thugs after you for theft, because it's not specific to them, so not notable (on that page anyway). Vicano (talk) 09:43, 14 August 2013 (GMT)
Yes, I can verify that. Completing Rescue from Fort Neugrad deposes Siddgeir, installs Dengeir. --Morrolan (talk) 14:25, 17 August 2013 (GMT)

() Good enough for me. Thanks for verifying this. --Xyzzy Talk 15:11, 17 August 2013 (GMT)

A ClarificationEdit

It is indeed true that (in general) Stormcloaks are exiled to the Palace of the Kings, but not all of them are. Dengeir and Tekla are exiled to Candlehearth, their package in the Creation Kit (CWExiledSonsSandboxCandlehearthHall) evidences this. Similarly, if Brina Merilis is deposed as Jarl, she and Horik Halfhand are not exiled to the Blue Palace, but the Winking Skeever.

I just thought I'd clarify that to avoid another long argument. Vicano (talk) 15:53, 17 August 2013 (GMT)

Apologies. I just get tired of people writing in that various jarls have gone to Candlehearth, which would get pretty crowded if all the Stormcloak jarls and stewards tried to hole up there. Too many Imperial players seem to not know the difference between the inn and the castle in Windhelm. --Morrolan (talk) 20:07, 17 August 2013 (GMT)
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