Online talk:Easter Eggs/Archive 1

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Two proposals

I'll start this off. Two proposals, one extremely obvious, the other one clear to me, but maybe not to everyone.

• Dear Johun Letter, this one is extremely clear, I don't expect anyone to have any real concerns about it. This is obviously a reference to Dear John letters.
• Academy Supplies, I believe this is a reference to the acceptance letter a wizard gets from Hogwarts in the Harry Potter series, as well as the supplies list included in that letter. here is a link to the supply list.

Anyway, those are my two proposals for now. Jeancey (talk) 23:19, 7 March 2014 (GMT)

I concur. --AN|L (talk) 23:54, 7 March 2014 (GMT)

I agree with both. -- Hargrimm^(T) 00:39, 8 March 2014 (GMT)

I second that notion. --Resonance Gamer (talk) 07:02, 8 March 2014 (GMT)

Agreed with both. Elfslayerx (talk) 03:48, 12 March 2014 (GMT)

Over the Seas and Far Away

In ESO there is a bardic performance called Over the Seas and Far Away. I believe this is a reference to the British folk song Over the Hills and Far Away, specifically the George Farquhar version. The similarities can most easily be seen in the choruses:

ESO Version

Over the seas and over the lane
For Ayrenn, ??? o'er the main
The lords command and we obey
Over the seas and far away

Real Life Version

Over the Hills and O'er the Main,
To Flanders, Portugal and Spain,
The queen commands and we'll obey
Over the Hills and far away.

Specifically, the first line and last two lines are so close that it has to be a reference, in my opinion :P Jeancey (talk) 19:44, 8 March 2014 (GMT)

Absolutely. -- Hargrimm^(T) 03:00, 9 March 2014 (GMT)

Agreed. Elfslayerx (talk) 03:48, 12 March 2014 (GMT)

Yup. --AN|L (talk) 15:10, 16 March 2014 (GMT)

Two more

1. Obviously, The Sisters Glumm from the Brothers Grimm.
2. Song of the Diamond Sword seems to be based on a song made by Tobuscus, a YouTube celebrity, about his diamond sword in Minecraft. In particular:

The question is rhetorical
You know I am the oracle
vs
That was rhetorical
You know I am the oracle

And the persistent double-word line endings:

My new diamond sword sword?
I am now the lord lord
vs
I can swing my sword, sword
'Cause I am the lord, lord

Seems like quite a few references scattered within the many new books. -- Hargrimm^(T) 03:00, 9 March 2014 (GMT)

I suport both. Elfslayerx (talk) 03:48, 12 March 2014 (GMT)

Supported. --AN|L (talk) 15:10, 16 March 2014 (GMT)

Romeo and Juliet

In a groto, near the city of Daggerfall (I don't remember the precise location), there is a pair of skeletons on the ground in dramatic pose. One haveing a flask over the hand and the other sitting, with the left hand over an unreadable piece of paper. Screenshot Seems quite easter eggian for me. Elfslayerx (talk) 03:48, 12 March 2014 (GMT)

What's the paper? iirc my shakespeare correctly, juliet drank the potion, but it didn't kill her, romeo though she died, killed himself with a knife, she comes to, realizes he is dead, and kills herself with the same knife. Is that another shakespeare play? (possibly Midsummer Night's Dream...) Jeancey (talk) 04:21, 12 March 2014 (GMT)

No, you're right. In Midsummer Night's Dream, there's a similar scene, only no poison involved. Pyramus just finds Thisby's shawl and assumes incorrectly that she's been killed by a lion, then stabs himself with blade, with bloody blameful blade he bravely broached his boiling bloody breast. She then finds him and kills herself with the same blade. Anyhow, without a blade in the picture, I can't agree that this is a reference to either scene. It might still be an easter egg, but I don't know what it could be referencing. — TheRealLurlock (talk) 14:56, 16 March 2014 (GMT)

Fishy Stick

You can cook Fishy Sticks through provisioning. This is an easter egg which can be read more about here. I request that we fast track this. I expect zero opposition. This may be the clearest easter egg we have ever had. Jeancey (talk)

You can also make Sweetrolls, another running gag in the series. And since the graphic for Sweetrolls is one of the few unique ones, I'd say it's a pretty deliberate reference. (Fishy Sticks are I believe the only other with a unique icon.) It's also notable that both of them are level 5 recipes, which are the most difficult, so they're unusual in that respect as well. ("It's a delicate state of mind" after all...) — TheRealLurlock (talk) 21:56, 23 March 2014 (GMT)

True, I would support adding the sweetrolls with this reference. I guess that brings up a new question: Do we add them as easter eggs, or historical references? They aren't really a reference to the game, but rather fan reaction to the game. Jeancey (talk) 21:58, 23 March 2014 (GMT)

Interestingly, the previous pages have considered Fish Stick an Easter Egg (as it references something outside of the games) and Sweetrolls a Historical Reference (since it was a part of the character creation process in several games). If we do want to put them on one page, I'd be more in favor of it being an Easter Egg, as the whole sweetroll thing has taken on a life of its own outside of the actual games. --AN|L (talk) 23:34, 23 March 2014 (GMT)

Men's Warehouse

Fredevieve Jeanne, a tailor in Elden Root, will say "You'll like the way you're dressed! I can guarantee that, I think." This is a reference to the Men's Warehouse commercials, where George Zimmer says "You're going to like the way you look. I guarantee it." Jeancey (talk) 22:01, 1 April 2014 (GMT)

Seconded. And just a note for when it gets added, the store name is spelled Men's 'Wearhouse', which is a pretty clever pun. -- Hargrimm^(T) 00:48, 2 April 2014 (GMT)

Definitely. --AN|L (talk) 01:07, 2 April 2014 (GMT)

Funny thing. The real life store is actually named Men's Wearhouse, not Warehouse like we all thought. --AN|L (talk) 21:26, 14 April 2014 (GMT)

Uh... check my post two lines above :) -- Hargrimm^(T) 22:21, 14 April 2014 (GMT)

(←) Lol, I read your post as saying that the store ingame that the NPC was in was called Men's Wearhouse. --AN|L (talk) 22:32, 14 April 2014 (GMT)

Fallout Reference

During the quest Tracking the Game, Hoknir calls his quarry "Deathclaw" and comments on how "it went badly" when he tracked it down. This is most likely referencing the Deathclaws from Fallout, who are some of the stronger creatures in the series. --Rook (talk) 03:01, 6 April 2014 (GMT)

Honestly the only connection here is the name, and I don't think it is enough to justify an easter egg. Death and Claw are two extremely common parts of monster boss names (Other ESO creatures include Deathfang and Titanclaw, for example), and putting them together doesn't make it a reference. If someone in fallout specifically says "it went badly" in relation to deathclaw's, then it may be a reference, but I have played all the fallout games, and I don't recall that at all. Jeancey (talk) 04:04, 6 April 2014 (GMT)

I'm torn about this. On one hand, searching for Deathclaw beings up nearly all references to the Deathclaws in Fallout (except for a World of Warcraft animal that's thought to be named after the game creatures). I've never played Fallout myself, but it seems like Deathc;aws have a fair bit of ill renown among gamers. But on the other hand, it is an extremely generic name, I couldn't tell you how many video game bosses have names involving the words death or claw. I'm leaning towards not a reference. --AN|L (talk) 15:08, 8 April 2014 (GMT)

Probably not, unless it also looks visually similar. If there was anything that reminded me of a Deathclaw from Fallout 3, it was the Scalon in the Shivering Isles. No doubt this will come up - but there is a also a cat called Mittens Q. Deathclaw III - which is probably not a fallout reference either.--Jimeee (talk) 15:25, 8 April 2014 (GMT)

Deathclaw in ESO is a giant bat, and looks absolutely nothing like the deathclaws from fallout. Jeancey (talk) 15:36, 8 April 2014 (GMT)

Deathclaws are very infamous and absolutely associated directly with Fallout. Considering the TES-Bethesda connection, I have zero doubt that every use of 'Deathclaw' in ESO is a direct reference to the Fallout creature. -- Hargrimm^(T) 22:21, 14 April 2014 (GMT)

I very much disagree. There is nothing other than an extremely common name connecting the two. They don't look or act alike, the related quest aren't connected to fallout in any way. I think this is something beyond a reach for a connection. Easter Eggs have to be clear and provable, not a single name that is used in multiple games by the same franchise. That's like saying the camp Tears of the Dishonored is a reference to the Dishonored game, also published by bethesda. There just isn't anything other than the name to connect them, and we don't put easter eggs simply due to the same or similar names. Jeancey (talk) 22:32, 14 April 2014 (GMT)

The only connection that we have so far is the name, which isn't even that distinctive. Other games have had a character or monster called "Death claw", including WoW, Final Fantasy, and something called Starbound. Having both creatures present in Bethesda titles isn't a factor, IMO. Without more of a connection, I can't support it. --Xyzzy ^Talk 23:41, 14 April 2014 (GMT)

Quote from "They Live"

I just heard a Lion Guard soldier outside Eagle's Brook say "I love to crush skulls and eat sweetrolls, and I've no more sweetrolls", a clear reference to the 1988 movie They Live, where Rowdy Roddy Piper says "I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass, and I'm all out of bubblegum". --Xyzzy ^Talk 04:18, 10 April 2014 (GMT)

Obviously. I swear that every video game seems to have that reference in it. --AN|L (talk) 15:29, 10 April 2014 (GMT)

This may not be unique to Lion Guard soldiers. I heard some guard in Stormhaven say it, possibly a soldier at Firebrand Keep (I think they're called Knights of the Flame). --Xyzzy ^Talk 06:08, 22 April 2014 (GMT)

Okay, I switched it to just guards for now. Has anyone seen it in any other areas, including other faction areas? --AN|L (talk) 14:26, 22 April 2014 (GMT)

Goodnight Mundus

Another obvious one, Goodnight Mundus is an obvious copy of the children's book Goodnight Moon. --AN|L (talk) 18:38, 24 April 2014 (GMT)

Lumberjack Song

The first two lines of Cadwell's Personal Anthem are a reference to the lumberjack song from Monty Python (found here) Compare those two lines to the chorus. To add to it, John Cleese, who voices Caldwell, was a member of Monty Python. --AN|L (talk) 23:05, 1 May 2014 (GMT)

Only because it's John Cleese, I think. If it weren't for that I'd call it a coincidence. Of course, I don't know if Cleese ever sang the Lumberjack Song. It was usually Palin I think. But close enough. — TheRealLurlock (talk) 01:58, 2 May 2014 (GMT)

I think we need to remove the bit "...though Cleese didn't actually perform that song". Cleese did perform the song on occasion, albeit as a member of the choir rather than the lead. --Xyzzy ^Talk 14:02, 17 August 2014 (GMT)

When I wrote that sentence, I meant that Cleese never performed it as the lead, as the two lines that appear in the book are the lines sung by the lead. I'm fine with its removal though. --AN|L (talk) 14:49, 17 August 2014 (GMT)

Upon further consideration, rather than removing it, it could be reworded to say something like "...and often performed in the choir". --Xyzzy ^Talk 04:59, 18 August 2014 (GMT)

One fine night

Cadwell's ditty is a take on the nonsense poem 'One fine day in the middle of the night' also known as 'Two Dead Boys'.

Cadwell:

"One fine day in the middle of the night,
two dead kings got up to fight.
Back to back they faced each other,
drew their bows... and stabbed themselves!"

Poem:

One bright morning in the middle of the night,
Two dead boys got up to fight.
Back-to-back they faced one another,
Drew their swords and shot each other.

Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 01:40, 6 May 2014 (GMT)

I've never heard of that poem, but they are so similar that it must be an egg. -AN|L (talk) 23:08, 5 May 2014 (EDT)

I don't think we need to stand on ceremony here. Insignificant Revisions^{Threats•Evidence} 03:26, 6 May 2014 (GMT)

Has to be. ThuumofReason (talk) 15:55, 6 May 2014 (GMT)

Soup Nazi!!

Amazing easter egg. At Jorunn's Stand in Eastmarch there is a chef named Makes-Many-Soups. When you ask her how many soups, she says today, only one soup. When you complain she says "If you are too greedy, you get no soup at all!" This is a reference to The Soup Nazi from Seinfeld, who, at the slightest complaint about anything will declare "No soup for you!" Jeancey (talk) 15:52, 6 May 2014 (GMT)

Sounds plausible to me. ThuumofReason (talk) 15:57, 6 May 2014 (GMT)

Yep, makes sense. --AN|L (talk) 02:09, 8 May 2014 (GMT)

Crazy Cat Lady

In Windhelm there is an old nord lady named Old Frikkhild, who lives in a practically empty house with 11 cats. When you talk to her, she pretends not to see the cats at all. She later says she does see them and that her family has stopped coming to visit her. This is a reference to the crazy Cat lady stereotype. Jeancey (talk) 16:13, 6 May 2014 (GMT)

Yes.--Jimeee (talk) 16:35, 6 May 2014 (GMT)

I agree that she fits that stereotype, but how does that qualify as an easter egg? ES games, like most others, are full of stereotypes. I don't see why this one is worth documenting. --Xyzzy ^Talk 22:41, 6 May 2014 (GMT)

Agree with Xyzzy. A trope doesn't make for an egg. If something about her situation could be traced back to the crazy cat lady on Futurama or something like that, that would be a different story. That's what I hoping to find when I saw this topic, and I leave disappointed. Insignificant Revisions^{Threats•Evidence} 22:50, 6 May 2014 (GMT)

I mean, it is clearly a reference to the crazy cat lady stereotype, not just someone who is the stereotype. The difference is that she serves no real function except for being a crazy cat lady, whereas other NPCs who are stereotypes are those because it fits in with quests, etc. I think that stereotype may be the wrong word.... maybe Crazy Cat Lady motif? Crazy Cat Ladies are a pop culture thing. see Crazy Cat Lady, the character from the Simpsons. Jeancey (talk) 22:51, 6 May 2014 (GMT)

I think this is just one of a number of broad character archetypes, not worthy of inclusion. ThuumofReason (talk) 00:28, 7 May 2014 (GMT)

I'm quite confused as to how "Crazy Cat Lady" is a broad archetype..... it is one of the narrowest archetypes I can think of... It isn't like this is the "unlikely hero" or the "trickster". We are talking about a modern phenomenon that has only become a widespread thing because of the Simpsons and Hoarders.... how is THAT a broad archetype? Jeancey (talk) 00:47, 7 May 2014 (GMT)

(←) As a cultural stereotype it isn't notable. There are alcoholics, drug addicts, beggars, etc that do nothing more than fill the stereotype that people 'expect' to see in games that are somewhat realistic. The same stereotypical NPCs are seen over and over again that only serve as filler, or even comedic relief as they are often portrayed to the extreme. I don't see how this person is a reference to anything specific. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 00:57, 7 May 2014 (GMT)

Hurp Durp

In the book How the Kwama Lost His Shoes, there's a passage where the kwama "hurps and durps". I think this is a reference to the Hurp Durp internet slang phrase for someone who is an idiot, particularly since the kwama in question is a supposed to be clumsy. --AN|L (talk) 02:09, 8 May 2014 (GMT)

Seems likely to me, as "hurp" and "durp" are not real verbs. The common spelling is "herp derp" though.—<({Quill-Tail>> 02:16, 8 May 2014 (GMT)

Two Dead Boys

When you first meet Cadwell in the tutorial he is singing "One fine day in the middle of the night, two dead kings got up to fight. Back to back they faced each other, drew their bows... and stabbed themselves!" This is probably a reference to a poem called Two Dead Boys, which starts with "One fine day in the middle of the night, two dead boys got up to fight. Back to back they faced each other, drew their swords and shot each other." Though the author of this poem is up for debate, I've head it is someone called Ed Grey, but I can't confirm that. — Unsigned comment by PhoenixAvis (talk • contribs) at 05:04 on 9 May 2014

Already included -- SarthesArai ^Talk 14:01, 9 May 2014 (GMT)

I think Phoenix was offering the author of the poem, but as its not clear who it was we have no need to speculate. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 18:03, 14 May 2014 (GMT)

The Hound

Pop culture reference/similarity/homage to the warrior character, Sandor Clegane - The Hound, in George R.R. Martin's series Song of Ice and Fire.--Beezer1029 (talk) 15:28, 14 May 2014 (GMT)

Unlikely. The Hound in GoT is absolutely nothing like The Hound in ESO. The Hound in ESO is named as such for his devotion to Hircine, Patron Prince of Werewolves. This isn't a reference. Jeancey (talk) 15:58, 14 May 2014 (GMT)

Yeah-thought I'd mention it though as you'll probably get this one a lot!--Beezer1029 (talk) 16:23, 14 May 2014 (GMT)

Winston Churchill:

"A contest, wrapped in a mystery, with an enigma glaze" - Sheogorath, during Long Lost Lore

This is extremely similar to a quote by Winston Churchill about Russia. DG^#:) 21:17, 14 May 2014 (GMT)

The actual churchill quote is I cannot forecast to you the action of Russia. It is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma, for future reference. However, this statement is actually a TV Trope so I'm unsure if it's a reference as it appears in so many other things that it's kind of become part of the culture. --AN|L (talk) 21:53, 14 May 2014 (GMT)

I agree with Anil. Jeancey (talk) 22:08, 14 May 2014 (GMT)

It has this as an Easter egg on the Elder Scrolls Wiki. DG^#:) 19:24, 15 May 2014 (GMT)

That doesn't matter. It's a completely different wiki with different rules. --AN|L (talk) 19:32, 15 May 2014 (GMT)

I think this would fit as a pop-culture reference under the proposed new categorization, but doesn't quit fit on the page as it's defined now. -- Hargrimm^(T) 20:26, 15 May 2014 (GMT)

(←) That's if it passes, and no, it really wouldn't. Even WITH the splitting up of pages proposal, this is not a reference to a particular work of culture. As evidenced by the tvtropes link, this is the exact opposite of that. ThuumofReason (talk) 21:18, 27 May 2014 (GMT)

Paul Revere

Even though the quest page is still empty, the name and objectives of If By Sea appear to be a nod to Paul Revere's ride ("One if by land, two if by sea..."). •WoahBro^►talk 19:25, 18 May 2014 (GMT)

I'm not aware of any earlier event that this could be referencing. Support. --Xyzzy ^Talk 04:30, 29 May 2014 (GMT)

Warning someone of an impending attack? With that name? Has to be. ThuumofReason (talk) 12:18, 29 May 2014 (GMT)

The Blackcaster Mages

In Craglorn, the city of Elinhir is protected by a guild of Mages called the Blackcaster Mages. Way back in TES:Arena, Elinhir's gladiatorial team would have been called "the Blackcasters" (until all the teams were taken out). The name of the guild is clearly a callback/reference to the team name in Arena. --Jimeee (talk) 19:03, 24 May 2014 (GMT)

Is that really an Easter Egg? Technically, that's lore, so it would make some sense for the town's warriors to be called the Blackcasters. I've no doubt that it's referencing the Arena team, but I'm not sure it qualifies as an egg. --AN|L (talk) 19:28, 24 May 2014 (GMT)

Well, as far as lore goes - the gladiator teams are OOG that didn't ever see the light of day, and personally I don't consider them as "canon" in the histories of their respective cities. --Jimeee (talk) 19:37, 24 May 2014 (GMT)

I'd call it more of an egg than a reference due to them not being in the game. Isn't there a couple of others references to the teams, I think I saw a relevant edit the other day? Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 19:48, 24 May 2014 (GMT)

I agree that this is more of a traditional egg than anything. ThuumofReason (talk) 21:26, 27 May 2014 (GMT)

Although, on second thought, this might belong more on the historical references page since, whether or not it was included, it's part of a previous Elder Scrolls game, and this page is specifically for references to things outside the series. Would anyone object to me moving this to the historical references page? ThuumofReason (talk) 12:28, 30 May 2014 (GMT)

Nope. Definitely historical. I guess displaying the gladiator teams on our lore pages for so long ends up having an impact.. —Legoless (talk) 19:03, 8 June 2014 (GMT)

But they weren't part of the game, they were purely data. Displaying the information on the lore pages doesn't mean anything as they were marked as oog. The definition of a reference is "References to events in the history of The Elder Scrolls", not references to bits of game data not used in previous games, or even the broader interpretation of "References to Previous Games". The gladiator teams are not a part of the official history of the Elder Scrolls. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 19:14, 8 June 2014 (GMT)

+2

I've added two of the more obvious Easter eggs. Don't think any discussion is needed for these ones. —Legoless (talk) 19:16, 8 June 2014 (GMT)

Wouldn't M'Aiq be a historical reference? •WoahBro^►talk 19:26, 8 June 2014 (GMT)

I agree, seeing as he's been in every game since Morrowind --Resonance Gamer (talk) 19:29, 8 June 2014 (GMT)

The current page lists sweetrolls and fishy sticks as well, which have appeared in the previous games. M'aiq is primarily an Easter egg, not a historical character(s). —Legoless (talk) 19:48, 8 June 2014 (GMT)

Actually, he WAS an easter egg. Now he is a historical reference due to the things he talks about reference things from the series. Sweetrolls and fishysticks should also be historical references, not easter eggs. We decided somewhere on this page that even things that were easter eggs in previous games, them appearing in future games isn't an easter egg but a reference to the previous game. Jeancey (talk) 19:53, 8 June 2014 (GMT)

M'Aiq appearing isn't noted on the Oblivion or Skyrim Eggs pages, and he is only noted on the Oblivion historical references (he's not on Skyrim's). I believe Jeancey may be referring to my explanation on the Skyrim Eggs page, of how something that has been given a contextual reason to exist in the series is not an egg in subsequent games because of that reason. So while his quotes may be references and eggs, he himself is not. In this case I might suggest he is included on all these pages but simply in order to send people to his page to see them because we don't include those references on these pages. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 20:18, 8 June 2014 (GMT)

(←) I agree with the Silencer. He should be mentioned somewhere. --AN|L (talk) 20:44, 8 June 2014 (GMT)

The Silencer's suggestion sounds good to me too. Even if we can't agree on the NPC being an egg, his dialogue certainly is and ought to be mentioned here. —Legoless (talk) 20:52, 8 June 2014 (GMT)

I mean, most of his dialogue is historical references, not easter eggs... Historical references are just easter eggs that relate to the series so... I'm still thinking it should be mentioned there, not here. Jeancey (talk) 21:07, 8 June 2014 (GMT)

"M'aiq tried to swim out to sea, but had to turn back. Slaughterfish. Always the slaughterfish." This line, along with many others, isn't an in-universe reference. If it was said by any other character, it would belong on this page without question. —Legoless (talk) 21:15, 8 June 2014 (GMT)

Actually, that IS an in-universe reference. That is a reference to the fact that you can't just swim out to sea like previous games. In ESO, you'll get attacked by slaughterfish and killed. So, that's not an easter egg or a reference to a previous game, it is a comment on the current game. I remain unconvinced that he should be listed here. Jeancey (talk) 21:30, 8 June 2014 (GMT)

In fact, I just read through all of the quotes we have listed for him. They are all either references to things in ESO or references to previous games. Not a single one, if said by another NPC, would ever be listed on the easter eggs page. His quotes are Historical References, and he should be listed on that page as Silencer described. Jeancey (talk) 21:34, 8 June 2014 (GMT)

My point was that comments about the gameplay mechanics of ESO aren't historical references. I'm just going to back away from this discussion; the banal arguments that take place on these Easter egg talk pages aren't worth the fuss. —Legoless (talk) 22:17, 8 June 2014 (GMT)

Letter of Admiration

I think that Letter found in a den of Daedra worshippers is a candidate for the Easter Egg category. While it doesn't reference anything specific, it's obviously a parody of an attempt to ask someone out by letter, but with a humorous theme of it being a daedric worshipper instead. I personally find it funny and immediately recognized the theme. --AN|L (talk) 17:51, 24 June 2014 (GMT)

Yeah, the theme is obvious, but is this the right place to note things from the interactive map considering the effort that just went into moving them all out of the Online namespace? Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 18:00, 24 June 2014 (GMT)

True. Also, I don't know anything about ESO, but is this letter hidden in any way? Or is it just something that can easily be accessed from the map screen? If the latter is the case, it's not an easter egg. We would have to list all of the letters in the section if we listed this one. Zul se onikaan^{Laan tinvaak} 18:24, 24 June 2014 (GMT)

It isn't accessible in-game. This isn't an easter egg. People can ask each other out in Tamriel just as easily or awkwardly as in real life. Someone dying in-game isn't a reference to the fact that humans die, after all. Jeancey (talk) 19:21, 24 June 2014 (GMT)

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