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Blinding LightEdit

We should probably note this skill somewhere. I was totally unaware of its removal until I followed the relevant link, and it seems like a pretty major change considering it was apparently in the game for something like nine months. —Legoless (talk) 16:29, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Sounds reasonable. We couldn't possibly detail every change made to abilities, but keeping a record of abilities which have been completely removed is probably a good idea. For consistency we'd need to try and get all of them; here's a list of the ones that I could find that were removed in Update 6:
  • Sparks (Dual Wield, replaced by Blade Cloak)
  • Blinding Light (Dawn's Wrath, replaced by Radiant Destruction)
  • Haste (Assassination, replaced by Grim Focus)
  • Exhilaration (originally Vigor, Wood Elf, replaced by Yffre's Endurance)
  • Explosive Curse (morph of Daedric Curse, Daedric Summoning, replaced by Daedric Prey)
--Enodoc (talk) 11:11, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
Agreed, I can't see a pressing need to note changes made to abilities unless they're totally drastic. All that info is presumably in the patch notes anyway if there's ever a real requirement. Should removed skills get full pages too, maybe with a striked-out link on the relevant footers (like {{Online Skills Templar}}), or would a simple note on this page suffice? Removed morphs would be a bit of a problem to insert into the skill page. —Legoless (talk) 12:52, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
A page would probably be good, but without the infobox, as we have no real way of knowing what the stats of those removed skills were. I'm indifferent about whether they would go in the footers struck-out, or whether we just put them on the skill line page. For morphs, we could just add it in the Notes section of the main skill page. -Enodoc (talk) 13:20, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
Better take a snapshot of the current skill setup; lots of morphs are being renamed in Update 10. I would propose for these what I said above; add the details of the old morph in a Notes section. --Enodoc (talk) 21:23, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
Sounds good to me! —Legoless (talk) 21:31, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
Just adding in here the abilities which were removed in Update 10:
  • Burning Breath (morph of Fiery Breath, Ardent Flame, replaced by Noxious Breath, which has a new icon)
  • Kindling (Ardent Flame, replaced by Combustion)
  • Unstable Flame (morph of Searing Strike, Ardent Flame, replaced by Venomous Claw, which has a new icon)
  • World in Flame (Ardent Flame, replaced by Word in Ruin)
  • Disintegrate (Storm Calling, replaced by Implosion)
  • Thundering Presence (morph of Lightning Form, Storm Calling, replaced by Hurricane)
  • Focused Healing (Restoring Light, replaced by Sacred Ground)
  • Purifying Ritual (morph of Cleansing Ritual, Restoring Light, replaced by Ritual of Retribution)
  • Blinding Flurry (morph of Flurry, Dual Wield, replaced by Bloodthirst)
  • Scorched Earth morph of Volley, Bow, replaced by Endless Hail)
  • Bracing (Heavy Armor, replaced by Wrath)
  • Poison Mist (morph of Mist Form, Vampire, replaced by Baleful Mist)
--Enodoc (talk) 09:16, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
Update 11:
  • Amphibious (Argonian, replaced by Resourceful)
  • Restoration Expertise (Argonian, replaced by Amphibian, additional effect only)
  • Light Armor Expertise (Breton, replaced by Opportunist, additional effect only)
  • Ambidexterity (Dark Elf, replaced by Ashlander, additional effect only)
  • Flame Talent (Dark Elf, replaced by Destructive Ancestry, additional effect only)
  • Destruction Talent (High Elf, replaced by Highborn, additional effect only)
  • Shield Affinity (Imperial, replaced by Diplomat, additional effect only)
  • Medium Armor Expertise (Khajiit, replaced by Cutpurse, additional effect only)
  • Robust Constitution (Khajiit, replaced by Nimble, rename only)
  • Two Handed Weapon Expertise (Nord, replaced by Reveler, additional effect only)
  • Robust (Nord, replaced by Stalwart)
  • Heavy Armor Expertise (Orc, replaced by Craftsman, additional effect only)
  • Robust (Orc, replaced by Unflinching)
  • Shield Affinity (Redguard, replaced by Wayfarer, additional effect only)
  • Archery Expertise (Wood Elf, replaced by Acrobat, additional effect only)
This list is getting quite long, and there are numerous different levels of changes. As I said to start with, we couldn't possibly detail every change made to abilities, so minor changes to single abilities aren't in these lists, but I have listed name changes for consistency, even when the change is minor. We should probably decide what we actually want to do in each case, but I think we have a good setup to start from.
  • For skills with name changes and just an additional effect, I think all that is needed is a redirect from the old name
  • For skills where a morph has changed, add the details of the old morph in a Notes section
  • For skills that have been changed in more than just name, recreate the old page with details of the old skill
--Enodoc (talk) 09:12, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
Seems like the ideal way of doing it. I wonder if it's worth having a disambig at ON:Robust? We probably should've had one before, but now that both skills were renamed it seems less of a priority. —Legoless (talk) 17:51, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
This is now all done, at least for the ones that I found and listed here. For ease-of-use I recreated Robust as a Deprecated skill, since its effects were originally identical for both Nords and Orcs. --Enodoc (talk) 01:23, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
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