Oblivion talk:Eugal Belette

Martin AttacksEdit

If you take Martin and Jauffre to Chorral with you before going to Cloudtop, and pass Eugal Belette in the street, they will kill him right in front of the guards and no foul. I had no idea what was going on til I searched his house later and found his mythic dawn paraphenalia. --Pumpboy1 — Unsigned comment by 64.83.57.246‎ (talk • contribs) at 16:31 on 12 March 2007‎ (GMT)

In the XBox version of Oblivion, I had the same thing happen as Pumpboy1: I wandered down the street with Jauffre and Martin in tow, and they attacked (or were attacked by) Eugal. After killing him, we went into his house, and into the basement, and... weird. There's some kind of bugged lighting down there, in the shape of giant yellow triangles with coffin-shaped dark patches in the middle. Can anyone explain this? --TheRayven

I can't explain the lighting (I'll take a look when I get the chance), but the information about Eugal Belette is interesting. It might be worth investigating what happens if you go to other cities with them - will the other Mythic Dawn sleepers also come out of the woodwork? That'd be worth adding to the main page. --Rpeh^Talk 04:38, 10 July 2007 (EDT)

It looks fine on the PC version. There are a lot of candles down there plus the odd lantern, but no giant yellow triangles. Just an XBox thing, perhaps? --Rpeh^Talk 13:51, 10 July 2007 (EDT)

As silly as it sounds, I'll get my camera and take some pictures of my TV to illustrate the sheer weirdness. I crawled over every inch of the basement looking for some explanation for the coffin-shaped shadows (I'd assumed he was a vampire at first), but there really doesn't appear to be any reason for it. As for dragging Martin and Jauffre around to see if other Sleepers react, I'll give that a shot as well. Also, and I'll double-check this, but it seems Martin and Jauffre attack first; I reloaded after accidentally angering Jauffre, and when I found Eugal in the tavern, they ran over and started beating on him where he sat. --TheRayven

It took me a while to remember what your lighting problems reminded me of, but I finally tracked it down: Oblivion:Glitches#Broken Candles. So it's a semi-known issue that is specific to the candles in Eugal Belette's basement. And it sounds like there isn't really any fix (other than uninstalling patches, which I really doubt makes sense just to get rid of a graphical glitch that occurs in one place). There probably should be some mention of this in the main article, but I might bug Kivan first (who posted the glitch explanation) to try to understand the glitch a bit better first. --Nephele^Talk 20:16, 10 July 2007 (EDT)

After reading the linked description of the Broken Candles glitch, that does seem to be exactly the problem occurring here. Of course, the 'problem' is rather minor, as its location is fairly irrelevant; the only thing worthwhile in the whole house is a skill book, and that's not even obscured by the graphical error. I took a picture and will insert it into the Glitches section to illustrate the problem, then see if I can get Martin and Jauffre into brawls with other Sleepers. --TheRayven 02:14, 11 July 2007 (EDT)

Oops; it appears I can't edit the Glitches page to add it. Nevertheless, here's the photo. I'm contemplating adding this to Eugal's page itself; any objections? Should I add a sub-section to his page, or just a single-sentence link to the glitch and image for reference? --TheRayven 02:37, 11 July 2007 (EDT)

You can add it to the Glitches/Proposed page. Now I see what you meant about bugged candles! --Rpeh^Talk 03:49, 11 July 2007 (EDT)

(←) Nephele had some questions about the broken candles....

So as I understand it, the glitch only appears if you install either of the 1.2 patches (i.e., 1.2.0214 or 1.2.0416); and, more to the point, it's not fixed by any currently available patches (or at least no currently available Xbox patches)?

Correct on both. The candlestick (CandlestickFloor01DarkFake) is the only (used) mesh in the game that is incorrect. The object is looking for the mesh file in the wrong path (it was in the Clutter folder instead of where it was supposed to be.) Before the v1.2 patch, the engine would look in Clutter if it couldn't find a missing mesh and use it if it was there. Post-patch, it doesn't do this anymore.

Does this only affect the candles in Eugal Belette's basement? If that's the only place using those candles, then where/what are the forts that the original editor was having problems with?

Other than the four instances in Eugal Belette's basement, there are two in Fort Hastrel, one in Fort Roebeck and two in Fort Redman. The remaining instances are in cells that are not accessible without console commands. Kivan 16:32, 11 July 2007 (EDT)

Thanks for the info, Kivan! --TheRayven 16:45, 11 July 2007 (EDT)

an interesting note, I just found him dead in the street without even starting the main quest other than walking past weynon priory and accidentally triggering the "I should find Jaufre" message box(i am running some mods (OOO,MMM,OMG,and others) but none that should touch the mythic dawn) -wardhali — Unsigned comment by 75.57.122.3 (talk) at 23:30 on 20 January 2008 (GMT)

Mods have nothing to do with it. I found him randomly dead on the street during my second visit to Chorrol. Found Brother Piner dead as well just 20 or so feet from Belette. (Xbox)--99.236.169.154 16:27, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Place of AttackEdit

I have seen Eugal Belette attack twice from the battlements above the main gate. The first time, he jumped down, attacked a guard and then came after me. I took him down with my Claymore, the second time, he drew his weapon on the battlemwnts, and alerted the guards. They both drew their swords and looked up, but he was stuuck on the edge or something. Then, after a few seconds, Belette freed himself and jumped down, but was killed when he landed. — Unsigned comment by 172.141.162.42 (talk) at 16:00 on 17 September 2007 (GMT)

It's just random so not appropriate on the main page. He'll attack on sight so the place it happens is entirely dependent on where he is when he first sees you. --Rpeh^Talk 13:12, 17 September 2007 (EDT)

Early DeathEdit

On my first trip into Chorral, shortly after I had delivered the amulet but before I had gone to Kvatch, a guard killed Eugal Belette at the entrance to city for no reason at all. Since then, every time I enter a new city, I can hear someone screaming and a fight going on with what sounds like a guard, but no matter where I look I can't find the source of the commotion. Any idea what's going on? -Guest— Unsigned comment by 208.125.84.80 (talk) on 20 June 2009

You are aware that Eugal Belette is a Mythic Dawn member? That's probably what the fight was about. Presumably, the fights in the other cities are between the guards and a Mythic Dawn member as well. As to why it happens, I have no idea. It could be that Eugal and the others were trying to attack to you but the guards got to them first. Wolok gro-Barok 08:39, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

The presence of Brother Piner may trigger a premature attack by Eugal Belette (and other Mythic Dawn agents.) Brother Piner often visits Chorrol and is usually near the south gate. I saw Eugal Belette attack Brother Piner at that location before I ever delivered the amulet. Needless to say, the guards made short work of Belette. This may explain why Belette's corpse is often found near the south gate. As a test, and before doing Kvatch, I used the console to spawn Brother Piner in front of Else God-Hater and the two immediately attacked one another. — Unsigned comment by Ethereal (talk • contribs) at 06:23 on 1 January 2012 (GMT)

HelperEdit

Can anyone else confirm that Eugal Belette will help you if you are attacked by the guards, before completing the Dagon Shrine quest ?--TheAlbinoOrc 19:27, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Any NPC that has a high disposition towards you will help you fight the guards, even if you were the one who started the fight. But of course, they won't help you if you attack them instead --^MC• S'drassa ^•T2M 21:51, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I wasn't sure if he was supposed to or not since he's Mythic Dawn.--TheAlbinoOrc 23:15, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

in "a shadow over hackdirt"Edit

i was taking back Dar-ma to chorrol.i got attacked by this person,as i had finnished dagon shrine's quest.Dar-ma approached me and engaged a dialog to thank me for saving her.is it normal?let me precise she already said it before...— Unsigned comment by J'ri-dar (talk • contribs) at 15:05 on 10 April 2010

Sorry, but I don't really understand what you're talking about. If you mean that Dar-Ma keeps on thanking you after you've rescued her, I believe that she does that regardless what transpired. It's not related to you killing Eugal. ^Talk Wolok gro-Barok _{Contributions} 21:47, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Not EatingEdit

I have been taking out Mythic Dawn sleeper agents, and Eugal is my next target. I already killed Hans Black-Nail, Isolde, Else God-Hater, Cindor, and Ranaline. They were all killed by the some thing, Poison Apples. So I did the same thing I did with my other targets, put the apple in their pocket while sleeping, then just wait. I waited from 3 in-game hours and Eugal is still alive. Even though it says that he eats a 6:00. How come he isn`t dead yet? ~Argonian8 8:50pm Mar,5,2011. — Unsigned comment by Argonian8 (talk • contribs) at 01:59 on 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Well he eat at six PM, not AM so that might be the problem. But you should make sure he doesn't have access to any other food as well to force him to eat it. If you haven't already seen it more tips can be found here. --AKB ^Talk 02:00, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Totally looks likeEdit

He looks like and sounds like Contumelious Florius of the local mages guild. --Maldini (talk) 09:41, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

They do. One was probably copied from the other and given a few tweaks given the very similar formids, but there are enough differences that it isn't notable for the actual page. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 13:45, 29 November 2017 (UTC)