Morrowind talk:Nerevarine

Page BlankingEdit

I'm not familiar enough with all of the Morrowind articles to know whether or not this page is necessary. If the creator would like the article to be deleted, he or she should make the appropriate requst. If not, I think it is better to have a vague description on the page than to have a blank article sitting around. --Eshe 19:29, 23 August 2007 (EDT)

The page should probably exist, though possibly it might be more appropriate in Tamriel namespace. The Nerevarine, in short, is you, when you play the game. As such, it's hard to write a history of the character, since you can play it any way you want. But it is important to the lore, and thus a page is justified, though I'm not lore-fluent enough that I feel comfortable writing it myself. I'll just mark this as a stub, and hopefully one of our lore-experts will flesh it out at some point. --TheRealLurlock ^Talk 23:53, 23 August 2007 (EDT)

I think this page should be categorised under Lore, and I will gladly try to expand this article myself, except I don't know how to move the page over to the Lore section...Remorse1994 20:29, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Nerevarine ProphecyEdit

Should the trials and prophecies of the player/Nerevarine go here? Lukish_ Tlk Cnt 05:37, 31 December 2008 (EST)

The Nerevarine is maleEdit

"In the waning years of the Third Era of Tamriel, a prisoner born on a certain day to uncertain parents was sent under guard, without explanation, to Morrowind, ignorant of the role he was to play in that nation's history..." This comes from the Morrowind introduction cutscene. So doesn't this mean that the Nerevarine is canonically male? C Teng ^[talk] 01:14, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

"He" is also the neutral pronoun for the English language, so it many cases, it can refer to a female (in unknown circumstances, such as dealing with prophecy in this case). –Elliot ^talk 01:20, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Maybe we should include this (and what you just said) in the article. C Teng ^[talk] 01:49, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Using "they" would have been bad grammar, but using "he or she" sounds horrible. English doesnt have any words to truly represent neutral genderTalamare 08:21, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Maybe the page should be changed to say the Nerevarine is male since it was stated in the cutscene and Neloth referred to the Nerevarine as a he in Dragonborn. This is two official sources stating the Nerevarine was a male.--72.171.16.59 07:51, 4 November 2013 (GMT)

"They" is perfect grammar for avoiding genderising a subject and an alternative to "he/she". I reworded the section to state that during the game you can be either, but its later suggested that the Nerevarine was male. "He" can be used as a non-gender specific word, but its not widely used anymore, and Bethesda didn't have to use it. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 16:06, 4 November 2013 (GMT)

As far as the Nerevarine being male or not, the Seven Trials prophecy, as told to the Nerevarine by an Ashlander wise woman, consistently says "he" when referring to the Incarnate. Thus, if the PC were truly the Nerevarine of the prophecies, as suggested by his/her unique capability to be cured by Divayth Fyr's potion, he/she would be required to be male. You might argue that "he" refers to Nerevar rather than the Nerevarine, but the prophecies specifically describe the Incarnate's actions, making it unlikely that this is the case. Jratchley (talk) 23:48, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Nerevarine as a faction?Edit

Do you join this faction during the game? I was sent here from the faction page and I am looking at the relations table and wondering what the faction is like. I am trying to calculate faction deposition and I am wondering if this is a faction for NPCs, if so it should be stated who is in the faction like the other faction pages, or does the player automatically join this faction after picking up the moon-and-star? — Unsigned comment by 69.169.148.48 (talk) on 23 April 2010

Yes, you get added to it once you pick up the ring. There are a couple of adjustments to faction reactions too. If you're already in House Redoran, the relationship between the Redoran and Nerevarine factions is increased by 4. The same applies if you're already in the Temple. rpeh •T•C•E• 10:16, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Cool thanks for the info, maybe this should be added to the actual page? — Unsigned comment by 69.169.148.48 (talk) on 22 May 2010

I've added it to the Factions page. rpeh •T•C•E• 09:00, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Nerevarine, the...cat?Edit

Is it weird to find it a tad unrealistic that the reincarnate of the Nerevarine can be any race? I find it rather funny that a Khajiit can banish the evil of Red Mountain threatening a province that...enslaves Khajiits. Since the Nerevar was Chimeri, wouldn't it make more sense for the nerevarine to be Altmer? 76.2.97.167 21:57, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Yes... and no. Remember that the Nerevarine is defined by prophecy, not appearance. See the letter (and the full version) you give to Caius Cosades. None of the prophecies refers to race. Now, while I agree that it would be absolutely incredible for the Great Houses to give the rank of Hortator to a slave race, for instance... it doesn't go against the reincarnation idea. If you believe in the transference of "souls", then there's no reason why Nerevar can't be a Khajiit. rpeh •T•C•E• 22:33, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm quite sure they call the PC (Nerevarine) Dragonborn once... 84.208.162.87 17:23, 7 February 2011 (UTC) Sorry... forgot to add new topic :P 84.208.162.87 17:24, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Nope. The word "dragonborn" appears in the book Varieties of Faith... and a couple of times in dialogue. Each time it's about Tiber Septim, not the player. rpeh •T•C•E• 17:36, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

There is one occurrence of referring to the Nerevarine as "Dragon-born" in The Lost Prophecies, but as the text itself explains, it's metaphorical about being from Imperial-owned lands, not a literal explanation of the origins of the PC. 94.168.71.160 17:45, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

being Dragonborn or not doesnt change much regardlessTalamare 08:19, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

tribunalEdit

almalexia calls you the neveraine before you go to kill sotha sil and she says the neveraine and her were lovers so wouldnt that be something to mention? (Eddie the head 03:09, 26 February 2011 (UTC))

Almalexia is mad too. She is not in Morrowind though, either. She is only in Tribunal. --Brf 03:12, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Almalexia is Nerevar's queen. It is mentioned in-game. Ongoingwhy 16:18, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

If that's true...Edit

"Similarly, Wraithguard is enchanted so that only Nerevar may wear it."

Then how did the Tribunal abuse it to obtain Godhood? We know that they can't wield Keening or Sunder without taking damage. Ongoingwhy 16:16, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

dragonbornEdit

i think they may be the same person as they are both dragonborn and only nerevarine can hold keening. althought it is just a guess, but only this can explain why dragonborn can use keening.(Vvardfell 13:31, 24 December 2011 (UTC))

the nerevarine isnt dragonborn, theres a discussion about it somewhere, the only reason the nerevarine can use keening is because he holds wraithguard, if he isnt wearing it, he cant use it. And the false gods (vivec, almalexia and sotha sil) can use it if wearing wraithguard. (Eddie The Head 14:04, 24 December 2011 (UTC))

You may be confusing Keening with Moon-and-Star, Nerevar's ring which was enchanted to kill anyone else who wore it. Nonetheless, either we assume that the ability of Keening to deliver mortal wounds if its wielder does not have the protection of wraithguard has somehow been removed since the events of Morrowind, or this is a developer oversight, as there is no in-game explanation, although the latter seems very unlikely as Keening played a central role in the story of Morrowind. --87.115.180.223 14:23, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Can they have same soul, since Nerevarine can have incarnation once again. It also explain why dragonborn are so weak at the beginning of the game. i think of another interesting fact that "The Nerevarine is thought to have gone on an expedition to Akavir, but has not been heard from since." this event may also have some relation with dragon return.(Vvardfell 01:28, 25 December 2011 (UTC))

That's really just speculation since there's no in-game evidence to suggest one way or the other. --87.115.180.223 10:33, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Well, in one of morrowind's prophecies, it states that the Nerevarine is indeed dragonborn. "From seventh sign of eleventh generation, Neither Hound nor Guar, nor Seed nor Harrow, But "Dragon-born" and far-star-marked, Outlander Incarnate beneath Red Mountain, Blessed Guest counters seven curses, Star-blessed hand wields thrice-cursed blade, To reap the harvest of the unmourned house." Any thoughts? 173.71.199.96 07:28, 26 March 2015 (GMT)

Nerevarine's unique soul?Edit

I was playing around with console commands, and i started using the "player->addsoulgem" one to make lots of copies of almalexias soul,when i decided to try using the command:

player->addsoulgem player misc_soulgem_azura

to see if i could put a copy of my characters soul into a new azura's star...which worked, but the listed monetary value of the gem was -524414912, (suggesting that your soul is worth less than nothing?) and when i went into the menu to enchant with it, it had an enchanting value of 147641992 (absurdly higher, even, than almalexia's). i just want to know if this is some strange glitch or if anyone else can do this/gets different numbers?— Unsigned comment by 76.164.101.160 (talk) at 15:37 on 10 March 2013

That is just from the limits of the numbers involved. With a signed integer, the lowest possible number is negative, however, because value can never be negative, in terms of the code to create new enchanted weapons, they likely used a unsigned integer and thus it cannot be negative, and defaults to the highest possible (which is technically the same number, but we won't get into that now). Basically, the player has no soul defined, and thus the code breaks and assigns the highest possible value. Jeancey (talk) 17:37, 10 March 2013 (GMT)

Immortal NerevarineEdit

In the Seven Trials prophecy, specifically the second trial, it is stated that "Neither blight not age can harm him." Of course, he/she is given immunity to the blight's effects when cured of Corprus's harmful effects, but age? To me, this suggests that the Nerevarine is immortal, no longer aging after the cure is administered (assuming this is an effect of Corprus). Any thoughts? Jratchley (talk) 23:55, 29 December 2015 (UTC)