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Lore talk:Roscrea

Name Origin?Edit

Roscrea (pronounced Ross-grey) is a town in County Tipperary, Ireland. Should this be noted on the page? Legoless 16:43, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

No, please. In general, Lore pages should steer clear of real world stuff, and this discussion has indicated that simply mentioning such etymologies on the talk page is preferred. rpeh •TCE 16:47, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Where is Roscrea?Edit

It says on this page that it lies somewhere between Akavir and Tamriel, but on this page:http://uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Tamriel it says it lies between Atmora and Tamriel. None of the sources provided tells where it lies exactly, only that Solitude had once claimed the territory. (Which I guess can be a hint that it lies north of skyrim, but even that is just speculation.) Does anyone have any more information or sources on this?Lambton Worm 21:34, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

The Pocket Guide and Brief History of the Empire are the only sources where Roscrea is mentioned. However, BHotE gives absolutely no information about it's location, while the PG clearly suggests it is somewhere off the coast of Skyrim 79.184.203.35 19:54, 19 November 2012 (GMT)
According to the PGE, Roscrea is found near Solitude in the Sea of Ghosts. There are two possible theories to explain this: either Roscrea was just an island north of Tamriel that Uriel V conquered and that is unrelated to the other three OR Akavir is not exactly east of Tamriel. The former theory is supported by the lack of information on Roscrea itself, but the four islands are almost always grouped together in all sources. The latter theory is a little bit more complicated.
Every time the Akaviri invaded it was in Morrowind and its neighboring western provinces: Cyrodiil in 1E 2703 (the book The Rise and Fall of the Blades even mentions that they invaded from the north) and Skyrim in 2E 572 (according to TES: Online's story the Ebonheart alliance was formed when Nords and Dunmer "fought as one to repel the invasion of the Akaviri slavemasters"). Coupled with the fact that the first land Uriel V's scouts stumbled upon was in the southwest of Akavir, it is reasonable to conclude that Akavir itself might actually be northeast of Tamriel, instead of east as cited in not so many sources.
Given that all this is a bit over-stretched, I suggest we remove any implications as to where Roscea might actually be, since without any direct evidence to either theories, the question of "Where is Roscrea?" simply cannot be asnwered. -- Kertaw48 (talk) 00:36, 22 November 2012 (GMT)
I think the only conclusion that can be drawn is that it's located in the Sea of Ghosts, according to the PGE. It could also be noted that it likely lies off the coast of Tamriel (PGE), between Tamriel and Akavir (Brief History), although it should clearly be represented as speculative on the article. I've removed the good question tag. —Legoless (talk) 00:51, 22 November 2012 (GMT)
I believe this is one of the Islands between Tamriel and Akavir that was conquered during the invasion of Akavir by Uriel V Septim. See Report: Disaster at Ionith for more info. Lord Eydvar Talk|Contribs 03:07, 22 November 2012 (GMT)
Yes, but other sources seem to contradict that. —Legoless (talk) 18:55, 22 November 2012 (GMT)


There is a very good reason to conclude that Akavir is in fact to the east of Tamriel!! Did you know that the fastest way to travel from Mexico City to New Delhi by plane is over the north pole? We don't conclude that New Delhi is north!!!! The world isn't flat, and neither is Nirn. What we CAN conclude is that since they landed in Morrowind and even Skyrim, they took a "northern passage" over the cold north. So PLEASE do not consider that Akavir could be to the north.
Roscrea is obviously in the Sea of Ghosts; considering the context it was presented in: """"annexing several former Imperial fiefs, such as the island of Roscrea, ruled directly by the Emperor since Uriel V conquered it in the 271st year. It has begun sponsoring exploratory missions even farther from the mainland into the misty waters of the Sea of Ghosts."""" It was not mentioned in Report: Disaster at Ioneth. While this did occur around the same time as the conquests of other island kingdoms (such as Esroniet), it's not mentioned if his initial motivations for conquest were indeed explicitly for the conquest of Akavir. But we absolutely can conclude that it's either North or East of Tamriel - remember, Solstheim was part of Skyrim, and that's not even off the coast of Skyrim proper.
With this we CAN theorize that the Sea of Ghosts is not as inhospitable as the sailors of Skyrim would lead you to believe, and exactly why Solitude would want to expand its influence there in particular. Let us quote the same line as earlier with the relevant information: """"It has begun sponsoring exploratory missions even farther from the mainland into the misty waters of the Sea of Ghosts."""" Why is this so important? Because misty water is a result of warm water currents meeting cold water currents (if you accept how our physical world functions on Earth, such as reasoning that water evaporates, then this theory is not so unplausable). Not only does it make the surrounding area misty, but those areas tend to have high biological productivity (for example, the Labrador current (cold) meets the Gulf stream (warm) and produces foggy waters and is the most productive fishing grounds on the planet). Wherever Roscrea is, its potential is great.
It's also very worth it to mention The Pocket Guide to the Empire, Second Edition, if you so dare to consider it lore. If you exclude the fan-written segments as the UESP page has, details the islands mentioned elsewhere become very clear. The Islands of Cathnoquey are logged and detailed, and while not mentioned in Report: Disaster at Ioneth, it's made clear that it was conquered with the same intent as the rest of the island kingdoms. """"An island at the southernmost end of the Cathnoquey chain, formerly known as "Llénnöc" (Quey for "south-but-we-mean-west") when it was an independent state during the Second Empire. After the famous surrender of Akaviri forces at Pale Pass to Reman Cyrodiil, Llénnöc was quickly annexed as Imperial territory to help facilitate the capture of any Tsaesci military-leaders seeking to evade their failed invasion by means of the north-but-really-east sea straits. When no such nets bore fruit– perhaps since the Tsaesci indeed never invaded by sea and therefore did not use it for retreat– """" With the strange directional speak, you can see that he really does mean up from Tamriel, but it doesn't mean NORTH is the final destination because it's a globe. Also it theorizes in itself, could the Akaviri not have invaded from the sea? Maybe, but that's a discussion for another time at another place. The point is, Nirn is a GLOBE, not a flat map.
I don't remember where I left off lol I took a whole lot of time to write this so sorry if it cuts off randomaallly at some point
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