Lore talk:Peryite

StatueEdit

This isn't the statue in ebonheart (docks area), is it? — Unsigned comment by 35.11.156.115 (talk) at 06:56 on 17 September 2007 (UTC)

No, the Ebonheart statue is probably Akatosh, since it's an Imperial city and the Imperials aren't big fans of the Daedra. --TheRealLurlock ^Talk 10:34, 17 September 2007 (EDT)

peryiteEdit

i cant find the way out of this plain can anyone tell me — Unsigned comment by 24.82.6.107 (talk) on 20. November 2008

I'm assuming you mean the plane you enter during the Oblivion quest? If so, have you collected all five souls? The portal only opens once you have. It will be at the same place as the portal that took you in. - Game Lord^{Talk|Contribs} 13:41, 20 November 2008 (EST)

Pits - sourceEdit

The only source I can find calling Peryite's Realm "The Pits" is our own Lore:Oblivion article. Can anybody else find one? –rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 07:47, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

I was wondering the same thing, and all I could find was an obscure text on the Imperial Library briefly referencing it. --Elliot^(T-C) 07:53, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

QuagmireEdit

On Mankar Camoran's page, in the speech it refers to Peryite's realm as Quagmire. Maybe i'm remembering wrong, but I thought that that was the realm of Vaermina. -DevotedInsanity 01:30, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Oh wait, nevermind. I read the notes. -DevotedInsanity 01:31, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Possible Origin?Edit

I'm not sure how obvious this is, but I haven't seen any mention of it here, so I'll ask. Is is possible that Peryite is based on Níðhöggr(Niddhogg)? Peryite takes the form of a dragon that rules the lowest parts of Oblivion. Niddhogg is a dragon that gnaws the lowest roots of Yggdrasill, and is thus in the lowest reaches of Niflheim.--The Void 12:49, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Oblivion doesn't send you into his realmEdit

A fairly important note of lore here, on the page it says that in Oblivion you free Peryites worshippers from his realm. In the game, Peryite sends you to the realm that his followers have been trapped in. He does not identify it as his own realm, which is good because it is clearly the Deadlands, the same plane you are sent to through the Oblivion gates. — Unsigned comment by Affubalator (talk • contribs) at 21:13 on 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Of course, this assumes a daedra's realms are homogenous. Isnt it possible for, say, Boethiah to have a Deadlands like section in His realm? It is also possible that the pits look like the Deadlands, and that could also be true 184.77.194.254 21:22, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

I do make that assumption, yes, but because of texts like The Doors of Oblivion, in which a man travels though the realms of Oblivion and is able to identify each one as he goes through, it is a fairly safe assumption for some realms. For some realms. It would not surprise me if Boethiah, Prince of Deceit, had a section of his realm that resembled any of the other realms, just to throw off people attempting to pass through. And of course Vaermina's realm constantly shifts from one nightmare to the next, so I would not doubt that her realm would resemble other realms from time to time. However, I do assume that Peryite, being a Prince of Order, would have a homogeneous landscape.

But, other than landscape, it is also filled with the daedric minions of Mehrunes Dagon, rather than whatever daedra Peryite commands.

I would not conclusively say they are in the Deadlands, however, I'm just saying that they are not in the Pits. As I'm sure that Peryite would not need the assistance of the Hero if they were trapped in his own realm. — Unsigned comment by Affubalator (talk • contribs) at 08:01 on 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Peryite's own words on the subject are: "My followers are trapped between worlds; their bodies here on this plane, their souls in Oblivion. I would have you reunite the bodies and the souls. I will transport you to the plane of Oblivion in which they are trapped. Find their souls. When all are collected, I will return you here." The does rather imply it's definitely not his own realm, or he'd have said so. rpeh •T•C•E• 19:32, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

It pretty much has to be another prince's realm. A prince is practically omnipotent over his own realm, as it's a manifestation of his own mind (Sheogorath's is an exception, since his mind sort of does its own thing) and Peryite would be able to boot the follower's souls right back out if he wanted. That he needs a champion to do it for him means he's trespassing on another's demesne. -- Anonymous, Aug 27 — Unsigned comment by 71.142.245.128 (talk) at 07:11 on 27 August 2011 (UTC)

JyggalagEdit

Don't Peryite's and Jyggalag's spheres seem to overlap? In Oblivion at least, Peryite is obsessed with order, which you'd associate more with Jyggalag. Maybe that's why Skyrim has him moving more towards pestilence? --67.166.168.186 22:54, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

I've recognized the same issue and I think I can explain. Peryite was around in TES since the beginning, whereas Jyggalag was literally added AFTER Oblivion, with the expansion of Oblivion; The Shivering Isles. In order to make a story for why Sheogorath was losing his realm, there had to be some sort of conflict. Since he is more or less hated by all other Daedra, for his madness, it would not make sense for them to want to control his realm. Therefore, to balance his sphere of madness, the sphere of "order" was invented. In literature this is known as a "Foil"; two things that are connected but are exactly different. Because Jyggalag was made AFTER Peryite, the sphere of "order" was already taken, by Peryite. Being so, the creators clearly made two distinct "spheres of order"... Order to the extreme, even more so than Totalitarianism... Order to the point of absolute control, death, and chaos. Order to the point that the order itself is illegal and must be destroyed because it does not meet the order that the order suggests it needs to meet. Yes. It was meant to be that absolutely confusing, because that was Sheogorath. It was told that Jyggalag WAS Sheogorath and the other Daedra cursed him into madness, allowing him to fight back for his sanity once every era, thus the story of The Shivering Isles. As far as Peryite, his idea of "order" is more so a "comicbook villain's" of: "I'm going to destroy the world because I don't like it and I think it should be made this way instead!"... This sounds a lot like Mehrunes Dagon, yes. But the difference is that Mehrunes Dagon believes that everything is to be destroyed because the act of creation is merely existing so that destruction can happen, explaining his sphere of destruction. Peryite does not care if things exist, he just wants them to be controlled by his meaning of life. The way he sees it is similar to this: "There are people in the world. The world is over populated. People need to die. Therefore, it is my job to kill them. Health keeps people alive. People need to die. Therefore health is a problem. Illness is not healthy. Illness makes death. The world is overpopulated. Therefore, the world needs illness." which plays into his second, possibly greater sphere, of pestilence. Hope this helps. 9:21 PM 26 Dec, 2011 (CST). — Unsigned comment by 50.103.46.55 (talk) at 03:24 on 27 December 2011 (UTC)

He is also known as the "Taskmaster" his form of order is not the clean cold order of Jyggalag, but of natural order, more buerocratic really. Think about what disease is, disease is treuyl a lifeform . . . a lifeform of the lowest order. He is the taskmaster, he controls beings and creatures of the lowest type to achieve his goals. But it is just business to him. confusing but inreresting. 71.238.243.98 02:44, 6 November 2012 (GMT)

Peryite is the Taskmaster. So when we say his sphere is order, this means his sphere is actually orders- as in commands, tasks, control. Jyggalags version of order is logic, sanity and sense, which is exactly why he was cursed into his polar opposite- The madness, chaos and disorder of Sheogorath. — Unsigned comment by ‎89.164.247.47 (talk)

This is how I personally interpret their respective variants of order (this is just my take, though):

Peryite is called the Taskmaster for a reason: his execution of order is similar to that of a manager. God-awful example: "Woah, woah, woah! Skyrim is overflowing with Falmer, well beyond what is natural / normal! This is unacceptable! Unleash the Dwemer on them! (Years later...:) Ah, the population is balanced – everything is back to normal." (Though we know the Dwemer weren't that generous.) Peryite is 'natural order', in a nutshell. You could say he's concerned with maintaining Mundus' current state and current state alone, under whatever means necessary; that is his task.

Jyggalag's order is chaotic, in the context of Mundus; it is the exact opposite of natural: logical(-deduction), calculated, and pure; he seeks the absolution of his context / sphere – he seeks absolute order; a world of no anomalies / mishaps / unpredictabilities; a world of the procedural paradigm - where the procedure generates continuous, utter equality in all things, by virtue of eliminating any variables of change (i.e., stillness); for example, a frozen world of no motion. That would be absolute order due to zero chance of any 'disruption' of any kind. He's Padomaic only in his actions / execution, and Anuic in his endgame and nature; he's a conservative seeking their goal through very liberal means.

In short: Peryite is a normal janitor doing his job — cleaning up spots when they get too dirty; Jyggalag is OCD as fuck, and believes that absolute cleanliness can only be achieved if nothing exists (i.e., a state of no dirtiness).

Once again, just my thoughts. I could be terribly, terribly wrong. Korodac (talk) 11:58, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

(←) This discussion is more appropriate for the forums. —Legoless (talk) 15:37, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Notably absent from ESOEdit

Is it worth noting on the page that Peryite is not even given so much as a mention in ESO? Not sure if that implies that Peryite did not exist or was not known to mortals during the 2nd Era, but the lack of any mention does seem to be deliberate, as all of the other Princes are directly featured multiple times (except Jyggalag who has so far appeared only once), and at least mentioned by name on countless occasions. As large as that game is, it seems like it'd be a major oversight if not intentional. — TheRealLurlock (talk) 20:58, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

It is not, because Peryite is mentioned in ESO. Peryite is mentioned in The Book of Daedra (aswell as in some other books), in several of the Lorenaster's Archives and in dialogue with Proctor Luciana Pullo. Peryite also has a banner in the game files (although it is never used). Aran Anumarile Autaracu Alatasel (talk) 21:27, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Source on one of his spheres being "Natural Order"?Edit

I noticed that one of the listed spheres that Peryite governs is "natural order" however neither of the sources detailing his spheres linked show this. — Unsigned comment by 216.59.148.241 (talk) at 00:04 on 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Unsure of the original source but Great Spirits of the Reach: Volume 4 should suffice. —⁠Legoless (talk) 00:10, 6 April 2021 (UTC)