Lore talk:Destruction

Destruction and InsanityEdit

On the relation between Destruction and insanity

I would like to delete from this page the phrase "and has been known to drive its adherents over the edge into total insanity." The only reference for this statement is the book Liturgy of Affliction. I have read the book with attention, and I see nothing to suggest that it was the use of Destruction magic that drove the author to insanity. On the basis of that book you could make only two possible claims:

1. That the author became insane because he started using Destruction on himself, thus slowly torturing himself to insanity. In this case it was not the casting of Destruction spells that drove the author to insanity, but the particular circumstance that he cast those spells on himself (which, I think you would agree, is not a common thing to do among users of Destruction).

OR

2. The author was insane already, which is why he started casting Destruction spells on himself in the first place.

In either case, it doesn't seem that the practice of the school of Destruction can lead to insanity.

Even if it was indeed the use of Destruction that led the author to insanity, the statement that it "has been known to drive its adherents over the edge into total insanity" is much too general to be derived from that single book. The only thing one could say on the basis of Liturgy of Afflication is that at most it has been known to drive one person into insanity. And even that is disputable, as I argued above.

I would be very grateful if anyone could please disprove my argument and explain to me how Liturgy of Affliction proves that Destruction can cause insanity, possibly by quoting specific parts of the book. Otherwise I believe that sentence ought to be deleted, or at least edited to read something like "Some people interpret the book Liturgy of Affliction controversially as implying that in particular circumstances the practice of Destruction may have led one mage to insanity".

Feynn (talk) 20:20, 27 June 2014 (GMT)

Hmm, yeah, it does seem like a stretch to claim that people have been driven insane just by studying the school. Vexis himself says it was the lust for more power and raw energy that drove him to severe self-harm, rather than the use of Destruction magic. And given that he explicitly thanks Sheogorath for opening his eyes, it's likely that it was amplified by Sheogorath's influence as well. —<({Quill-Tail>> 16:03, 28 June 2014 (GMT)

Thank you for your reply, Quill-Tail. Considering that I have started this discussion quite a long time ago and that there are not further replies, I will proceed to editing the article accordingly, removing the part in which it is stated that Destruction leads to madness. Feynn (talk) 13:11, 3 October 2014 (GMT)

Daggerfall Spell EffectsEdit

Daggerfall's destruction spell effects are as follows: Transfer (Fatigue), Transfer (Health), Damage (Health), Damage (Fatigue), Damage (Spell Points), Continuous Damage (Health), Continuous Damage (Fatigue), Continuous Damage (Spell Points), Disintegrate, Drain (Attribute). The Lore Article has a mix of spell effects and spell names. Unfortunately, I don't have the skill necessary to edit the graph.1337 w0n (talk) 09:59, 29 January 2021 (UTC)