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Bloodskaal Blade and Dwarven Black Bow of FateEdit

Shouldn't be here the Bloodskaal Blade and Dwarven Black Bow of Fate? They are unique in appereance and have a unique enchantment too. — Unsigned comment by CrisWolf09 (talkcontribs) at 20:07 on 10 May 2013

No. They are considered Unique Items. In my mind, they meet the criteria of artifacts too and I couldn't tell you what the difference is, but that's the way it is. --~The wind, forsaken~ (talk) 20:12, 10 May 2013 (GMT)
I believe they should be here and they were not put here yet because this is a relatively new page. If they only occur once in game and have the unique apperance and enchantment then by all means put them in here. This page needs the increased lists. --Ad intellige (talk) 20:17, 10 May 2013 (GMT)
I agree that more items should be added here. Unique items are weapons such as the Glass Bow of the Stag Prince and Hoarfrost. Miraak's sword and staff, the Dwarven Black Bow of Fate, and the Bloodskaal Blade are definitely artifacts. The Champion's Cudgel is so close to an artifact that I would propose that it also be added but that can be left up for debate. I'll attempt to add the definite items but it may be beyond my editing ability. EDIT:I'll also take this chance to suggest Miraak's Robes/Gloves/Boots as well, since they're just as much an artifact as the Archmage's Robes. Rather than create a separate page for each one though, perhaps we could create a single page for all three. --BlackhawkXIII (talk) 06:38, 3 June 2013 (GMT)
Update: Miraak's weapons added into the page nicely however I couldn't make the other two work. The DBBoF doesn't even have its own page yet so we'll have to make one to link to. The Bloodskal blade has a page but embedding it in the article put the entire page there instead of the nice little condensed version that Miraak's weapons had. I know I should technically go through the help forums for this but could someone explain how to make the condensed version of an article appear when its embedded? EDIT:Figured out how to make the Bloodskal Blade work right by looking at other articles. --BlackhawkXIII (talk) 06:38, 3 June 2013 (GMT)

BloodscytheEdit

I would disagree with Bloodscythe being an Artifact. Yeah it has an unique name but look at the difference between it and the Scimitar. They're exactly the same except for the enchantment glow. Same with Soulrender. 88.72.133.156 14:31, 6 August 2013 (GMT)

Champion's CudgelEdit

I would like to propose that the Champion's Cudgel be added to this page. I know that its enchantment is not unique but I feel like other exceptions to this rule have been made. In all other regards, the Champion's Cudgel meets the requirement of being an artifact. --BlackhawkXIII (talk) 01:33, 12 August 2013 (GMT)

I disagree. I think it is a unique weapon, but I don't think it is an artifact. An artifact is a "unique and unusually powerful magical item." The cudgel isn't unusually powerful at all. Plus, only meeting 2/3 requirements is a big deal. In other areas, that's the difference between a planet and not a planet. If we make and exception for this, then we must include all items that appear more than once, but fit the other two, or aren't unique in appearance. It MUST fulfill all three requirements, otherwise, why have the rules at all. Jeancey (talk) 02:00, 12 August 2013 (GMT)

Ahzidal's Armor and ringsEdit

These seem to me to fit the definitions of artifacts. Anyone agree? 82.132.234.244 03:00, 21 November 2013 (GMT)

The armor looks the same as ancient nord armor and the rings look like generic gemmed rings. So, they don't fit the "unique appearance" requirement. Vely►t►e 03:15, 21 November 2013 (GMT)
I accept that their apperance is the same as Ancient Nord Armor however everything about them, from the way you acquire them, how they were made, the enchantments they possess, who they belonged to and the lore about them says to me they are more than just unique items. We are not talking about Ancient Nord Armor with a standard enchantment that the Dovahkiin could wander into Warmaidens and purchase or a randomly generated item that could be stumbled upon in any standard dungeon. They are specially created powerful artefacts of a powerful dragon priest. There has to be some exceptions to the stated requirements in such a case.
If items like the Champion's Cudgel and the Bloodskaal Blade, one having a standard enchantment and the other not having an especially useful and weak enchantment, are artefacts then Ahzidal's items most definitely should be included. The proper definition of an artefact is "an object made by a human being, typically one of cultural or historical interest". Discounting, or extending to include the other races, the part about human beings making the artefact, as this is a fantasy game with fantasy races,i would say that they are important to the Elder Scrolls history and that their apperance should be excepted. I also think the criteria for classifiying artefacts is not up to standard as it excludes a lot of items that are important to lore. 82.132.233.68 04:33, 21 November 2013 (GMT)
The definition of artifacts has been debated on the wiki before because a number of people agree that items such as these should be artifacts as well. If you just wish to redefine artifacts, I'll step out of the conversation, then. It would be quite useful if you would propose a new definition/criteria for artifacts though, possibly on the Community Portal since it would affect all namespaces on the wiki. Vely►t►e 04:54, 21 November 2013 (GMT)
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